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Grey's Ryan Sprague here and this is our

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second installment of spooky listener

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tales as we count down the days until

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Halloween this week Steve recalls an

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eerie encounter with a shadow figure in

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his West Hollywood home in Los Angeles

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have a listen about 20 years ago I was

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living in a beautiful building in West

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Hollywood that had been constructed in

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1926 in the Renaissance Revival style so

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it was typically Los Angeles typically

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Hollywood and very beautiful and very

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old I lived there with a roommate and

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one night I was sleeping in my bed with

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my cats and I think my cat started

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stirring or else I felt like I was being

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stared at so I opened my eyes and

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standing at the foot of my bed and

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staring back at me was a shadow figure

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of a man he was three dimensional solid

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black he looked like black velvet and my

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room wasn't very dark because there was

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a streetlight always shining in through

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my window which I appreciated so he was

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so dark and he stood out so much and he

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was three dimensional and I although I

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couldn't see any features as far as

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facial features I could see all of the

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very clear kind of outline of his figure

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he was about 510 has sort of longest

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hair I think he was wearing a jacket and

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my cats and I lay there in the bed

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staring at him for what seemed like an

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eternity but was probably only a minute

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or a minute and a half and then as I

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watched he floated toward the ceiling

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and disappeared after that I did the

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thing that a lot of people report doing

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that seems so incredulous in that I

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turned back over and went to sleep and I

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think one of the reasons I did this is

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because he seemed curious not so

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menacing

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and the cleanser - this story is about a

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year later my roommate and I were moving

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out and I told him that I had seen a

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figure in my room one time about a year

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before and my roommate got visible chill

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bumps and a shiver running down his

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spine and proceeded to tell me a story

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about trying to get to sleep one night

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when he felt someone staring at him and

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he turned over in his bed and standing

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in the open doorway of his closet was a

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shadow figure of a man

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I let him describe it first and it

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sounded exactly like what I saw and so

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to me that validates our stories because

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neither of us suggested it to each other

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we both had separate experiences with

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this same man and when we did a little

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research and talked to some neighbors

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who had lived there for a long time we

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found out that a writer for television

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who had lived in that apartment about a

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decade and a half before we did had died

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there oh wow okay was this the shadowy

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spirit of a tormented television writer

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I'd love to hear your thoughts and if

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you have a ghost or monster encounter

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story you'd like to share on the show

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I'd love to hear that as well

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reach me through the contact tab on the

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website somewhere in the skies calm we

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are using towards that special October

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night and it only gets creepier from

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here on out thank you so much to Steve

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for sharing his story and hey having

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recently moved only a handful of blocks

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away from West Hollywood where this

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happened maybe I can actually go

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investigate the apartment in question or

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maybe I could hire this week's guest to

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do the shadowy work for me so without

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further ado let's get to this week's

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episode with investigator researcher and

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host of into the fray radio Shannon

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Lacroix today we are talking to one of

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my heroes she is the one who inspired me

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to become a podcaster myself so you

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would not be listening to this right now

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if it were not for her so Shannon the

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grou thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies well

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hello Ryan it's it's so good to be

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chatting with you again thanks for

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having me it's been a long time coming

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and I thought this would be the

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perfect time to have you on we are

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counting down the days until Halloween

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how you feeling are you are you looking

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forward to this year any big plans yeah

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the house is decorated but I think it

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needs more decorations in fact I saw at

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Home Depot and actually this is last

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year but I'm sure they still have it

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because it's epic they have a full-size

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skeleton of a horse which looks insanely

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creepy I mean it's it's pretty darn

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large it's not what they call the old

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tin hand high or whatever that is it's

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not a full full-sized little sized horse

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and I'm like you know what if I got that

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thing I think I was like 300 bucks I'm

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like worth every penny I would leave it

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up all year long where would you put it

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would you put it outside or inside oh

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right in the living room just greeting

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folks as they walk in the door yeah oh

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yeah that's terrifying

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like the the Headless Horseman or

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something just just you know if for

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Christmas he can wear a Santa hat and

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yeah yes absolutely this is like I I

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don't know about you but many of us who

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are into these sorts of topics

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paranormal supernatural UFOs I mean this

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is our Christmas it really is like it's

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our time to celebrate the weirdness we

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have within us and the stuff that we

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look into so yeah this is the time where

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I decorate I rarely decorate for

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Christmas but Halloween it's just

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pumpkins everywhere and you know bats

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coming from the ceiling I absolutely

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love it yeah and this is the tummy or

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like oh here's my freak flag and I'm

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real I mean I usually fly pretty high

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anyway but this time of year favorite

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it's awesome pumpkin pride for sure

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talking about pumpkin spice lattes with

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some people it's so funny because

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they'll start posting like middle of

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last month they're like

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brace yourselves for pumpkin spice

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everything it's so true and you know

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what really bothers me like I do fall

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victim to that I got a pumpkin spice

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latte probably a week before October

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even started before autumn even started

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delicious cuz it's pure sugar going into

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your go ahead but you know it's it's

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just it's not pumpkin that's what I do

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I try to convince people of like this

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tastes nothing like actual pumpkin

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I bet if you took like pumpkin guts and

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you put it in a French press it would

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probably just be a bloody mess so yeah

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I'm not sure what that is but it's not

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pumpkin

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yeah it's that that whole Mandela effect

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happening yes this is what pumpkin

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tastes like it always has yeah the old

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red red pill blue pill like it's just

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what steak tastes like or is this what

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my brain tells me that steak is supposed

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to taste like

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exactly I'm gonna have to do a whole

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episode on just that Mandela steak yeah

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and you're absolutely especially worth

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where the hell there's pumpkin spice

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actually come from mmm is there is there

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like a puppy mill is there a pumpkin

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spice mill somewhere they're just

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slaughtering like strange pumpkins for

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our enjoyment that's where all that

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shrieking is coming in slaughter no

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that's right you know what they had at

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the pumpkin patch I took my daughter and

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you know I have these little pumpkin

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masters carving kits yeah yeah well no

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yeah now they have a battery-powered saw

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so you can really go full like massacre

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on your pumpkins there's a little little

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saw for you perfect I am NOT going to

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I'm not going to judge that at all

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someone wants to do that be my guest

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I went to a place where they do like the

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pumpkin catapults so like you can like

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the trebuchet kind of thing yeah and you

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could like send them flying like a mile

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away it's pretty fun it was a peek at

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one of the one of the farms and Oregon's

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somebody got really hurt with a

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trebuchet I mean those things they go or

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I they go really awry and you're gonna

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lose a limb or I mean something's goin

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real bad my organs are gonna explode

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can you imagine like that being say that

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was like in the autopsy of someone who

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died by a flying pumpkin yeah a little

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bit strange there like pumpkin trebuchet

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what the hell hashtag well I mean again

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it is an appropriate time do you have

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you on the show because you are the

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reason that I started

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doing all this and looking into all this

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and you have your own show

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into the fray radio which we are

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definitely going to dive into where you

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cover a vast array of topics and before

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we even get into the show Shannon I do

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want to ask you because I'm sure some of

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our listeners may not know how did you

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get involved in all this craziness that

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we all seem to find ourselves thrust

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into where did it all begin what is your

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origin story yes the origin story which

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a lot of us you know seem to have and

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mine is a little unlike other people's

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it it's not the subject is very similar

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to others it's a shadow person story or

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shadow people but the difference is mine

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happened in broad daylight this was in

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duck creek Utah I was 11 12 years old

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and I'm riding on my folder which we did

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mm every day that we were up there for

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the summer every day all day and if we

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weren't doing that we were fishing or

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hiking and on this particular day now

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this is like midday nice sunny day out

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there in duck Creek my two brothers were

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pretty far infer me on their

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four-wheelers but we're we're going

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pretty darn fast down these dirt roads

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and it's set up like a grid pattern near

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where my dad's cabin was and remind you

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there are plenty of other cabins in the

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area a lot a lot of people can be around

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at some points in time this is a pretty

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quiet day so we're cooking with Kris

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goes we're going down this road and I

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was hanging back because it actually

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hadn't rained for a while so it was a

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little dusty so I'm letting them go

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forward and they can tear the road up

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and kick dust up all they want but I'm

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the Hank back and I didn't have my

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helmet on on this particular day which

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was a little strange but I think my dad

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was down in town doing something so I

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was like oh I'm gonna be a rebel and not

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wear my helmet so we're riding very

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quickly down dirt room and I I glanced

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in my right at one point into the woods

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and this isn't like thick woods like the

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Olympic National Forest or anything

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where we have like moss on the ground

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and massive evergreen trees covering

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every inch of the forest where you can't

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see through there's a lot of Aspen's and

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there are pines but it's a pretty clear

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shot to where you can see back a good

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ways so I would say maybe 30 yards in

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there are four and tall being sick

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to six and a half feet of figures and

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they're they're darker than blacker than

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night they're completely devoid of light

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as if they're just a black hole like a

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cutout of the darkest night that you've

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ever been witness to just cut out and

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plastered into this space and they're

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running and they're keeping up with me

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on my folder and I'm going quite fast

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and the way they're moving though is

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kind of funny because I the second I

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look at them I know they're just wrong

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they're completely devoid of light and

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I'm looking I'm like they're moving

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their arms and legs you know like we

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would if we were booking it right down

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down a road or something but they

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weren't interacting with the trees at

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all like they didn't need to really be

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hopping over anything or ducking and

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diving these aspen trees that they were

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running through I guess but I can say

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honestly I don't remember thinking oh my

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god that one just went through a tree it

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just they were just running I don't

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really know how else to describe that

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but I do instantly remember thinking

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that they were just completely abnormal

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there none of this world and why am I

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seeing this I look at him for about a

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count of five which you know if you

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count one thousand one one thousand two

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one thousand it's a good little amount

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of time to see something and of course

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I'm hauling butt on the four-wheeler so

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I have to look forward again and check

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my path I look back quickly and they are

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gone just completely gone no sign of him

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no trace catch up to my brothers at some

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point and I said I'm going back to the

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cabin and I didn't tell anybody anything

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at first but then when my dad got back I

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told him what I saw um he said that well

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you know sometimes they do military

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exercises in the woods so maybe you saw

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some military men you know in their gear

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whatever doing some kind of drills I

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just remember telling my dad mmm these

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just they were not people I don't know

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what to tell you but these were not

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people they were keeping pace with me

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and you know and he it's not he was

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poking fun but he was just pretty

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adamant that well it was people they

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were there they were military men so

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that's that was that was it that was my

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inception story just five seconds

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glancing over in the woods and and

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seeing those those four figures running

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alongside of me yeah and a lot of people

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ask me what are they what do you think

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they are I have no idea I have no clue

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way there's been plenty

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of ideas thrown out there demons

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probably demons right like from okay

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talk that guy that came on everything's

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a demon dinosaurs are probably demon

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multi-dimensional creatures

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I have heard before a Bigfoot I'm like

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no certainly wasn't Bigfoot mmm

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that was not what I saw I'm so yeah that

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that was it and I mean the fact that it

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can happen so quickly and can sort of

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just change your entire life I mean we

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hear about this all the time I mean it

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was the same with me with my UFO

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sighting and that's how you and I

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connected which we'll get to in a moment

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and then to have a parent try to calm us

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down and say there's some conventional

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prosaic explanation of course that's a

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parent's job is to protect their

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children and you know show them

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hopefully that the world is a much safer

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place than we hope that the safer place

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that we want it to be I I can't imagine

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what that must have been like and you

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did mention that it was not Bigfoot now

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a lot of people may know you for that

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and that's how I got introduced to your

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work is I I was never into Bigfoot I'm

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not gonna lie I've been a UFO guy my

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whole life I thought big a big [\h__\h] I

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was about to say Bigfoot was [\h__\h] to

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me I just didn't believe in it and the

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more I started looking into all these

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other topics I'm like I gotta give this

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a chance like people probably look at me

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crazy all the time for believing in UFOs

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so I came across some shows and heard

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from you and you were talking about your

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investigations and your research into

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cryptids and I was like who is this

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person like they actually know their

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stuff they know what's going on and I

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actually believe them you are so genuine

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and authentic and how you were talking

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about the topics and it's rare to find

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that and that's sort of how we got

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hooked up we I contacted you and I was

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like look I really like what you're

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doing out there this is a topic I've

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never been interested in but I'd love to

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learn more and that's kind of how the

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inception of our I guess work

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relationship started would you say yeah

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yeah absolutely

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and I mean and look at the the journey

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that we've both had since then which is

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incredible and I've met so many amazing

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people doing this

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yeah yeah so let's let's talk about into

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the fray now where did this idea come

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from I know it was your brainchild from

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the start and it was a passion project

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of yours how how did it all come about

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what made you finally take that leap to

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be like I am gonna put my voice out

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there to the masses no matter what they

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think yeah and and that's something that

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if anyone's going to start a podcast you

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have to keep that in mind you're not

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ever gonna please everybody all the time

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you're going to get mail saying oh my

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gosh I can't believe that you said that

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or why didn't you say this so you have

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to make yourself happy as a podcaster

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I'm just gonna put that out there right

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now okay sorry I was digressing there

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get off my little soapbox there yeah

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well we would always joke about oh after

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this interesting man we're gonna get

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some mail and I would always throw throw

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my email address out there right yeah so

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I mean I have to give a nod here of

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course to West Germer of Sasquatch

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Chronicles because he's the one that saw

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that I was very active in his Facebook

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page and I mean Bigfoot is kind of my

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baby which is strange considering the

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story that I just told you right but he

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noticed my activity in the group and

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he's you know he just started to chat

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with me and he decided to bring me on

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board Sasquatch chronicles is one of the

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co-hosts and then eventually he gave me

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my own space and that was show notes

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with Shannon which was live by the way

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and there are some really epic radio

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moments that happen on live and I think

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that Ryan that you've I think you've

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told me you've you've heard snoring

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Steve and that whole thing before but I

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think that the show notes are still out

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there and I believe that it was the

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episode that bono came on or maybe it

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was one Jesus jr. was on but it was a

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live show and and I have Collins because

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it was BlogTalkRadio and I went back to

448
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a caller that said he had a story and he

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was sawing logs snoring so loud there's

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live radio for you so I do miss aspects

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of that because boy that came showing

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your toes you got to think on the fly

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and of course looking back I'm like I

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could have been so much more witty I

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could have been like oh my god am i that

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boring but anyway so there was show

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notes and then when I loved Sasquatch

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Chronicles I thought you know as much as

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I loved Bigfoot I I do also have a

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passion for other things and of course

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the only one thing that I saw with my

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own eyes had nothing to do with Bigfoot

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so why don't I do a multi topic show and

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and people love to put up the poem from

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the movie the gray which you know into

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the fray is mentioned in that poem that

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is not where it came from I know that I

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just I wanted and I should actually post

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this someday I think it's in the notes

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of my iPhone one of the notes and in

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there the many notes to keep track of

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things is the where the name came from

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and I think at one point there was like

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an end of the end of the gray or into

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the you know something black or dark or

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you know and it kind of formed into into

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into the fray and when I went on to I

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remember going on to Google and iTunes

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and just crossing my fingers that there

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wasn't a podcast named exactly that and

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there wasn't so that was the inception

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of of the old ITF right there that's a

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great story I love hearing how it all

484
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started and I had that exact moment

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where you're googling you come up with

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this idea that you think is just perfect

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for what you want to do it embodies

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everything you want to say in like two

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three words and then somebody else has

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it I deal with this all the time when

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I'm titling plays and movies I write

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them you know I spent years writing this

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and then I usually I'm like the kind of

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writer who leaves the title till the

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last moment because even if I were to

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come up with the title beforehand it

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would change immediately like a price

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the first couple pages and that I run

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into that all the time oh that's

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copyright and oh you can't do that for

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another 20 years this that this that oh

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that must be heartbreaking for you it's

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frustrating for sure but you know what

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you just move on and that's kind of how

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it is you know you think that you're the

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only one in the world that has this idea

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but it doesn't always work out that but

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I would have to say with into the fray

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you're really doing something very

510
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interesting in that you're bringing on

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people to tell their stories no we all

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in the podcasting world love

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interviewing quote-unquote experts

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researchers P

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people who are like really into this

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authors but I think it's really

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important what you do is you bring on

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the people having the experiences and

519
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that's extremely vital without witnesses

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to these things we would have nothing to

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research we would have nothing to talk

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about on these shows so that's what

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really drew me into becoming a part of

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into the fray and and for you allowing

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me to do that has been amazing to come

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on and hear these people's stories

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because it makes me start to open up and

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be like oh my god like this person is

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totally credible they're just an

530
00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:20,530
everyday person like I am and they saw

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this they saw a Bigfoot they saw this

532
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out there it's amazing now you are past

533
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100 episodes now with into the fray so

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first of all congratulations thank you

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yeah it goes by like a blur I can't even

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believe it

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00:21:37,710 --> 00:21:36,070
thanks for bringing it up about people's

538
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:37,720
you know personal stories that's what I

539
00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:39,730
really enjoy the most as much like you

540
00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:41,289
said as much as I love talking to the

541
00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:43,750
author and the researcher I get in that

542
00:21:48,210 --> 00:21:46,600
person that he's like oh you can hear in

543
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,220
their voice they're they're shaky and

544
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:50,320
they're scared which I was too when I

545
00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:53,049
first started telling my story it took

546
00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:55,270
me a long time there's nothing like that

547
00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:57,100
and by the time they're done they're not

548
00:22:01,169 --> 00:21:59,710
nervous anymore and sometimes they they

549
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:01,179
just think they're like thank you thank

550
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,490
you for letting me just get that out and

551
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:06,400
tell my story and you know if if after

552
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,230
recording someone's like you know what I

553
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:09,760
don't really even think that I want that

554
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:12,730
on the show I would never be upset or

555
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:14,289
mad it's not always about you know

556
00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:15,730
getting those downloads and everything

557
00:22:20,370 --> 00:22:17,740
that it's really a it's a big human

558
00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:20,380
experience and it's happening you know

559
00:22:24,659 --> 00:22:22,630
right through your right through my Sony

560
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:24,669
earbuds that I when I do the recordings

561
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:26,530
I'm like man this changed this person's

562
00:22:30,299 --> 00:22:28,270
life and I totally get it because I had

563
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,309
the same experience and and so did you

564
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,039
so it's kind of when you hear someone so

565
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:34,960
genuine maybe even they're getting

566
00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:37,150
emotional on the line and you're like no

567
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:38,620
no you're you're doing you're doing

568
00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:40,360
great keep pushing through I promise

569
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:42,220
it'll feel amazing when you're done and

570
00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:44,530
usually they agree that it does it feels

571
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:45,580
good to get that out there

572
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:47,470
absolutely I'm you know we've both been

573
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:49,210
on the other side of it too I have you

574
00:22:54,029 --> 00:22:51,370
on today recounting your experience when

575
00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:54,039
I've had to recall my UFO sighting to

576
00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:56,049
people it's not that easy it's not like

577
00:22:59,039 --> 00:22:57,340
you're just like this happened on this

578
00:23:00,690 --> 00:22:59,049
date it was crazy

579
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:00,700
Wow I know

580
00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:03,310
it it takes a lot to like first of all

581
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:06,070
memory is faulty so you're trying your

582
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:08,290
best to recall this event that happened

583
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:12,070
God for you and I when we were 12 11 12

584
00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:14,650
13 years old yeah you know try try to

585
00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:16,300
remember something that happened to you

586
00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:19,150
that far back it's not easy now there's

587
00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:23,260
certain moments or maybe emotions that

588
00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:26,230
you felt or a sense that came forward

589
00:23:30,450 --> 00:23:28,660
during it but other than that it's not

590
00:23:33,210 --> 00:23:30,460
like you're telling a perfect story for

591
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:33,220
anybody so just like you when people

592
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:35,050
come on to recall these things you have

593
00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:36,910
to be patient you have to be

594
00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:38,380
compassionate that's the one thing I've

595
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:40,060
learned when interviewing people you

596
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:42,010
can't go in prejudging it you know I

597
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,540
would never be that kind of person to

598
00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:45,370
bring someone on and then you know say

599
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:48,160
no that's that's you're lying or this or

600
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:50,290
that like hear em out and let them take

601
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:52,270
the time to do it that's what editing is

602
00:23:55,470 --> 00:23:54,610
for yeah and I just want to touch on

603
00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:55,480
something you said that's really

604
00:24:00,000 --> 00:23:57,430
important about memory and that is that

605
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:00,010
it is faulty and I think if someone you

606
00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:01,330
know was like you have to come up with

607
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,460
five thousand words describing your

608
00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,440
experience I would really be hesitant to

609
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:07,480
do that because unless I was gonna fill

610
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:09,070
in blanks that I wasn't sure even

611
00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:11,320
existed that's why when I retell it I

612
00:24:15,690 --> 00:24:13,060
really try to keep it very general

613
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:15,700
because that is my memory of the

614
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:17,290
experience like I don't remember the

615
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:19,990
color of the leaves or you know or if I

616
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:22,030
could they were quite solid to me but I

617
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:24,730
mean maybe if I had looked down nearer

618
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:26,740
to their feet or something they would

619
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:28,120
have been see-through but my mind

620
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,710
doesn't remember that so I'm not gonna

621
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:32,320
just throw that in there so yeah that's

622
00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:34,170
a really good point about memory being

623
00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:37,300
extremely it's a fickle thing it's

624
00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:39,190
really really fickle yeah and it

625
00:24:43,770 --> 00:24:41,830
remembers what it wants - I think - you

626
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:43,780
know and yes other things in that dark

627
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,090
corner that we may never really know it

628
00:24:51,270 --> 00:24:48,400
I mean with me I remember sounds and I

629
00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:51,280
remember like a feeling in the back of

630
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:53,020
my neck that's really all I remember I

631
00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:55,450
don't really remember the actual thing I

632
00:24:58,170 --> 00:24:56,830
was looking at like people are like oh

633
00:25:01,620 --> 00:24:58,180
did it have how many lights did it have

634
00:25:03,450 --> 00:25:01,630
I think three I'm not positive right did

635
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:03,460
it have like metal on it I don't know I

636
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:05,680
I couldn't see the stars behind what I

637
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:07,210
was saying but I don't know if it was

638
00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:09,400
metal like I didn't touch it I didn't

639
00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:11,470
throw a rock at it I just I remember

640
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:13,420
feeling certain things and that's really

641
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,290
about it

642
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:16,480
yeah and isn't in general as far as

643
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:18,820
telling the story it's those big words

644
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:21,550
that I know what I saw I mean I do know

645
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:23,350
what I saw and I know that you know what

646
00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:25,330
you saw as far as every little detail

647
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:28,300
that stuff is it's gone I mean I

648
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:30,700
wouldn't ever make something up just to

649
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:32,530
oh your shadow person stories a little

650
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:38,230
general you know really long time ago

651
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:41,170
and that's as best I can do I will never

652
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:43,330
you know try to fill in something to to

653
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:45,460
make a fantastical story exactly I

654
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:46,570
couldn't agree more

655
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:48,070
well I mean it terms have been to the

656
00:25:53,730 --> 00:25:50,590
fray now I'm sure over a hundred

657
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:53,740
episodes in now including you do ITF

658
00:25:58,620 --> 00:25:55,930
auxilary which is really cool it's like

659
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,630
a break off of ITF for you you have more

660
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:01,360
room to to cover more topics that aren't

661
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:02,770
necessarily part of the main shows

662
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:05,110
you've also got ITF insiders which we'll

663
00:26:09,030 --> 00:26:07,180
talk about in a little bit but in terms

664
00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:09,040
of the main show shin and I'm sure a

665
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:10,780
hundred episodes in there have got to be

666
00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:13,810
some that really stick out to you so I

667
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:16,300
would love if we could do sort of the

668
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:23,100
highlights let's go ESPN on this maybe

669
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,450
let's let's go with three let's cover

670
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:27,820
three of your favorite episodes that

671
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:30,280
you've had so far whether it's the topic

672
00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:31,870
you covered the person you interviewed

673
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:33,940
what really stands out to you and made

674
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:36,940
you say holy [\h__\h] this is why I started

675
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:38,470
the show and this is why I'm gonna keep

676
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:41,140
doing it yeah and it's it's really hard

677
00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:43,210
because you're not the first to ask well

678
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,040
what's your favorite or favorites and

679
00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:46,720
it's like picking your favorite kid what

680
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:48,760
you're never supposed to do it's really

681
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:51,640
very difficult but yeah I'll pick kind

682
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:54,310
of three of the most impactful and some

683
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:56,650
of my tops at least I'm not gonna say

684
00:27:00,360 --> 00:26:58,210
favorites because then I I'm like oh

685
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:00,370
they're all they're all my little babies

686
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,890
you know yeah so starting right out of

687
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:05,760
gate since we were discussing my love of

688
00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:09,400
Bigfoot I think that when David came on

689
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,190
for episode 6 and that is entitled

690
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:14,890
boundaries crossed his story he had

691
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:16,870
never told but a few people and he

692
00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:18,580
certainly hadn't been on any show is

693
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:21,430
talking about this and why he chose me

694
00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:24,190
I'm not sure I'm very you know grateful

695
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:26,620
that he did and I'm able to get a story

696
00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:27,970
out there that is not as

697
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:30,550
romain that will be kept a secret and so

698
00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:33,130
will the the location and even the state

699
00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:37,540
that all was anonymous as far as his his

700
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:41,320
story goes but ok so for David in 2001

701
00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:44,200
he had been researching with this

702
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,660
big-name researcher for a number of

703
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:49,120
years and it was basically his mentor

704
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:51,040
and he and his mentor or in this

705
00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:53,470
location in this general area and the

706
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:55,870
mentor says he pulls out a topographic

707
00:28:00,900 --> 00:27:58,270
map and he says David you you cannot go

708
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:00,910
here and he draws a red circle and you

709
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:02,230
know Dave's like why why can't I go

710
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:04,360
there and the mentor tells them well I

711
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:05,710
mean that's their home this is where

712
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:08,020
they live you do not go there that would

713
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:10,030
be a place you wouldn't want to be and

714
00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:12,940
James like okay yeah no I won't go there

715
00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:15,820
well David decides he goes home and he

716
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:17,860
lives about six hours from this location

717
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,350
he goes home and I think it's within a

718
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:22,720
quite quite a short amount of time he

719
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:24,160
decides that he's going to tell his wife

720
00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:26,110
that he's going on a business trip which

721
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:28,180
at the time he says it's not it's not

722
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:29,830
abnormal because he used to do that kind

723
00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:32,470
of a thing for his work so okay wifey

724
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:34,540
going on a business trip he doesn't tell

725
00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:36,730
anybody where he's going which is like

726
00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:38,500
rule number one if you're going camping

727
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:40,060
or hiking or you got to tell somebody

728
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:42,250
well he doesn't doesn't tell a soul

729
00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:43,510
especially since he doesn't want its

730
00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:45,220
mentor to find out he's going to the the

731
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:47,620
old red circle zone so he gets there and

732
00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:49,390
he pulls out the map and he figures okay

733
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:51,790
I think I'm I'm in the red circle I'm

734
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,610
where I need to be he gets in there he

735
00:28:59,490 --> 00:28:57,520
sits down and I believe he's sitting

736
00:29:02,040 --> 00:28:59,500
against he's got his back against a

737
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:02,050
boulder or a tree I'm sorry I forget now

738
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:04,810
which one it was but behind that is a

739
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:06,730
ravine and then in front of him is all

740
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:09,610
the woods and he says off to his right

741
00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:12,700
little ways through through the foliage

742
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:14,800
as the trail that he came or came in on

743
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:16,210
so he's sitting there and he's like I'm

744
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:17,380
actually getting kind of Borg there's

745
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:19,420
nothing going on nothing at all he goes

746
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:21,310
well I drove all the way out here and

747
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:23,500
you know it's pretty peaceful so I think

748
00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:25,330
I'll just close my eyes for a bit and I

749
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,800
could camp here all night just sleep

750
00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:28,240
here and then and then drive out in the

751
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:29,980
morning and no one's the wiser nobody's

752
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,750
gonna miss me and he ends up falling

753
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:34,000
asleep he starts to hear I think he's

754
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:36,280
he's woken by a little rustling at first

755
00:29:41,289 --> 00:29:39,400
and then he wakes up and he says that he

756
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:41,299
can hear now the loudest scream

757
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:43,580
he's ever heard in his life he goes when

758
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:45,590
people talk about Bigfoot screaming or

759
00:29:51,129 --> 00:29:48,529
possible big feats is screaming he says

760
00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:51,139
they liken it to a woman being murdered

761
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:54,019
and he goes yeah it's like that times

762
00:30:00,759 --> 00:29:56,840
100 and he goes I felt like it was

763
00:30:02,109 --> 00:30:00,769
within feet of me and it's it's dark

764
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:02,119
it's pitch-black he said he could barely

765
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:04,070
see his hand in front of his face I

766
00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:05,450
should have mentioned that before sorry

767
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:07,070
yeah it's it's dark at this point not

768
00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:09,559
okay the screaming starts and he turns

769
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,519
his flashlight on

770
00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:13,279
now I'm breezing through this quite

771
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:15,470
easily but that's because we know why

772
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:16,850
right Ryan because it's not my story

773
00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:19,429
right if you listen to David retell this

774
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:21,950
he's he's having a hard time with it he

775
00:30:26,619 --> 00:30:24,409
turns his flashlight on and he goes it's

776
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:26,629
funny because this thing just keeps

777
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:28,940
screaming and then another one starts

778
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,950
and he thought for almost certain there

779
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:32,720
was a third one somewhere screaming at

780
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:34,369
him and he's not moving he turns his

781
00:30:38,859 --> 00:30:36,049
flashlight on he goes I went out there

782
00:30:41,289 --> 00:30:38,869
for Bigfoot and I got Bigfoot but I did

783
00:30:42,639 --> 00:30:41,299
not want to shine the light up to where

784
00:30:43,779 --> 00:30:42,649
I thought the screams were coming from

785
00:30:47,169 --> 00:30:43,789
because I didn't think I could handle

786
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:47,179
seeing what was screaming Wow yeah and

787
00:30:50,649 --> 00:30:48,350
the other thought that's going through

788
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:50,659
his mind is oh my god he's like I have

789
00:30:54,129 --> 00:30:52,220
kids I've got a wife

790
00:30:56,739 --> 00:30:54,139
nobody knows where I am he goes my

791
00:30:58,659 --> 00:30:56,749
friends even my wife has laughed at me

792
00:31:01,149 --> 00:30:58,669
for believing in Bigfoot and now I'm

793
00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:01,159
gonna get killed by a Bigfoot and right

794
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:02,929
like the very thing that everybody last

795
00:31:06,999 --> 00:31:05,330
me for is gonna kill me and no one's

796
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:07,009
even gonna find out about it and he

797
00:31:11,499 --> 00:31:09,289
wasn't saying that in a poor me like

798
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:11,509
yeah oh they didn't believe me he was

799
00:31:16,269 --> 00:31:13,730
just like I mean I'm in some serious

800
00:31:17,979 --> 00:31:16,279
[\h__\h] here basically so and at this point

801
00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:17,989
I'm like it's taken a long time to get

802
00:31:21,849 --> 00:31:19,549
to this point I encourage everyone just

803
00:31:23,979 --> 00:31:21,859
to go listen to David's story but he he

804
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,989
decides that all right they're just

805
00:31:27,729 --> 00:31:26,480
gonna keep screaming at me and I don't

806
00:31:30,009 --> 00:31:27,739
think that they did a whole lot of

807
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:30,019
moving at that point and neither did he

808
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:33,289
he decides he this is when I went holy

809
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:36,350
cow he crawls on his hands and his knees

810
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:38,840
through the brambles and all the nasty

811
00:31:44,379 --> 00:31:40,850
stuff that's on the ground where he is

812
00:31:47,379 --> 00:31:44,389
at any crawls back out to the trail the

813
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:47,389
entire time these creatures if we're

814
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:48,710
assuming they're Bigfoot are screaming

815
00:31:53,499 --> 00:31:50,809
at him he says it was a good little ways

816
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:53,509
and he's he's crawling on his hands and

817
00:31:57,639 --> 00:31:55,070
his knees and he makes it

818
00:32:01,419 --> 00:31:57,649
to the trail and he does get to this

819
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:01,429
trail and he forces himself to do a fast

820
00:32:05,019 --> 00:32:03,049
walk because he says I feel like if I

821
00:32:07,149 --> 00:32:05,029
ran there and chased me down they were

822
00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:07,159
you know ways who amped up to be running

823
00:32:10,659 --> 00:32:08,929
away from him he said they paralleled

824
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,669
him the whole time and he got he did he

825
00:32:15,879 --> 00:32:12,559
made it back to his truck and he said he

826
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,889
shut the door of the truck and he says I

827
00:32:19,659 --> 00:32:17,360
don't I'm not embarrassed to tell you

828
00:32:21,879 --> 00:32:19,669
that I was sobbing he said I was sobbing

829
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:21,889
like a baby I thought I was gonna die

830
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:23,990
and you know the irony is I went out

831
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:26,630
there for it and I got exactly what I

832
00:32:31,299 --> 00:32:29,210
was looking for so he had to drive home

833
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:31,309
and explain to his wife why he was all

834
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,529
scratched up which I I don't think he

835
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:35,360
ever did tell me you know what he told

836
00:32:40,299 --> 00:32:38,210
her we didn't get into that side of once

837
00:32:42,009 --> 00:32:40,309
he got home because it was difficult

838
00:32:44,169 --> 00:32:42,019
enough for him to get through what he

839
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:44,179
had already told me but yeah moral of

840
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:46,730
the story is if a mentor draws a red

841
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:49,250
circle you don't go into the red circle

842
00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:51,710
and at least tell someone where you are

843
00:32:56,049 --> 00:32:53,870
so yeah I mean I that was six episodes

844
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:56,059
in of into the fray and I'm just going I

845
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,220
mean this is why I want to do this

846
00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:01,519
because once he did tell the story and

847
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:03,139
it was just he and I talking afterward I

848
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:04,850
could tell he he's you know it's like

849
00:33:08,139 --> 00:33:06,529
thank you for letting me do that thank

850
00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:08,149
you for listening and I can tell you to

851
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:10,100
this day I keep in contact with him and

852
00:33:14,169 --> 00:33:12,110
he reiterates I there's not a day that

853
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:14,179
goes by that it doesn't cross my mind at

854
00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:15,590
least for a fleeting second he goes I

855
00:33:17,740 --> 00:33:16,309
don't dwell on it

856
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:17,750
I don't really lose sleep over it

857
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:21,529
anymore but it profoundly affected me he

858
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:23,090
goes I really thought I was in mortal

859
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,049
danger Wow

860
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:26,330
yeah and I mean again like you said six

861
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:28,610
episodes in that that would only make me

862
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,100
want to hear more stories but the fact

863
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:32,720
that a lot of people don't realize that

864
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:35,809
before we hit record like there there's

865
00:33:40,299 --> 00:33:37,730
talk with these people beforehand of

866
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:40,309
like what are the boundaries you know if

867
00:33:45,129 --> 00:33:43,490
you need to stop or anything or if this

868
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:45,139
isn't going the way you want like just

869
00:33:48,909 --> 00:33:46,730
let us know like there's a lot that goes

870
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:48,919
in it before we actually push that

871
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:50,990
record button and I can only imagine how

872
00:33:56,649 --> 00:33:53,330
difficult it was for this grown man to

873
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:56,659
admit you know like many men that he was

874
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:00,559
scared for his life and that he ended up

875
00:34:04,869 --> 00:34:03,049
in that truck I'm seeing it in my mind

876
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:04,879
now just sobbing about what just

877
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:06,500
happened to him he was in mortal danger

878
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:08,810
I the moment you said he was cross

879
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:11,000
and they continued screaming all around

880
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,490
him that seems like a personal hell to

881
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:15,980
me yeah you know yeah that would be like

882
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,510
torture you're just waiting for them to

883
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:19,760
pounce on you I mean assuming that that

884
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:22,040
is what they were right is some massive

885
00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:23,630
creature that could just use you as a

886
00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:25,580
Louisville Slugger against a tree at any

887
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:26,060
time

888
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:28,010
no matter what it was just the fact that

889
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:29,810
some sort of predator was out there in

890
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:31,940
the dark basically showing you don't

891
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:34,430
come back here again you know I can't

892
00:34:41,170 --> 00:34:36,860
imagine yeah and I think they they got

893
00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:41,180
their message across I think you did too

894
00:34:46,330 --> 00:34:44,120
don't go into the red circle goodness me

895
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:46,340
I mean when I was in when I was in Salt

896
00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:49,400
Fork with a camping trip situation and

897
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:52,220
we're doing you know silly like Finding

898
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:54,770
Bigfoot stuff - oh yeah we're gonna see

899
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:56,690
what happens here it was it was funny as

900
00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:58,910
is hilarious cuz I'm like oh my god

901
00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:00,350
we're literally doing stuff from Finding

902
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,800
Bigfoot

903
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:02,960
but I mean that everyone's heard me tell

904
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:05,060
the whistle story but I I mean that was

905
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:07,160
a frickin whistle and I was standing and

906
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:08,570
I went to a crouching position because

907
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:10,760
that's just what my instincts told me to

908
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,260
do it scared the [\h__\h] out of me and

909
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:14,480
because it was just so it sounded so

910
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:16,220
powerful me what is out here with lungs

911
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:18,140
that big and friggin lip gee I don't

912
00:35:23,350 --> 00:35:21,080
know I mean but no is a whistle so this

913
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:23,360
poor guy I mean getting screamed at by

914
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:24,860
what he said it was at least three of

915
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:26,660
them and they're shadowing you the whole

916
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:28,790
time which I said man that sounds really

917
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:30,710
like a tactical move and he goes it was

918
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:32,060
I mean they're you know they're

919
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:33,620
following me and he goes the second I

920
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:35,750
would stop moving cuz he would when he

921
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:37,430
was doing his fast walk he would stop

922
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:39,710
for just a second and see if he could

923
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:41,480
kind of get a peg on where they were if

924
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:42,590
they would keep walking but they would

925
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,450
stop instantly the second he would stop

926
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:46,550
right very interesting so it seems like

927
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:48,860
a battle of wits you know he he was

928
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:51,320
smart to do what he did and they they

929
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:53,930
were unfortunately you know it seemed to

930
00:35:57,340 --> 00:35:55,610
step ahead of him the whole time but at

931
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:57,350
least he made it back to the truck thank

932
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:59,690
God yeah and that's the whole that's the

933
00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:00,950
toughest thing about it because that's

934
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:02,660
what he went out there for right I mean

935
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:04,910
how many times I've gone into the woods

936
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:06,500
countless number of times and I'm like

937
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:09,110
oh I'd love to see a Bigfoot or but to

938
00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:11,120
be honest with you they probably wet

939
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:13,820
yourself I don't care how you know close

940
00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:16,910
or far if you saw one and you knew for a

941
00:36:20,620 --> 00:36:18,680
fact what it was it couldn't be anything

942
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,630
else let's just assume right there's

943
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:22,400
just no other explanation

944
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,350
you'd need a freaking diaper period I'm

945
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:26,480
sorry I just I don't care how benign it

946
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:28,730
is that's against I mean when you really

947
00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:30,860
stop to think about it to actually see

948
00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:32,360
and he didn't see one

949
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,060
but his you know his his account was

950
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:37,760
terrifying but to actually see one would

951
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:40,250
be insane absolutely insane yeah I

952
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:42,440
always tell people when they say like oh

953
00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:44,330
I want to get abducted by aliens or I

954
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,220
want to see you both know you don't you

955
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,560
you really don't trust me no I remember

956
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:50,480
when I interviewed you and I wasn't

957
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:53,390
expecting the answer I said well okay we

958
00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:56,420
saw this UFO your UFO researcher do you

959
00:37:00,340 --> 00:36:58,100
want to see one again you're like no

960
00:37:02,290 --> 00:37:00,350
absolutely like it without you know any

961
00:37:03,970 --> 00:37:02,300
hesitation like no I'm good I don't need

962
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,980
to see another one and I was like oh I

963
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:06,320
wasn't expecting that yeah yeah I mean

964
00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:08,600
and to be honest in that moment I think

965
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:10,280
you caught me at my most vulnerable like

966
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:13,640
I just recalled the event and yeah I'm I

967
00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:15,530
would be totally fine never seeing it

968
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:18,980
again I I had my moment of validity that

969
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:20,690
these things not real no matter what

970
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:22,250
they are I'm not even saying what I saw

971
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:24,920
was alien it easily could have been some

972
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:27,170
sort of military training exercise or

973
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:28,760
something but it scared the living

974
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:30,740
daylights out of me it turned into an

975
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:32,810
obsession after that in looking into all

976
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:35,150
of these topics and sent me on this path

977
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,310
but no I'd be totally fine never seeing

978
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:40,400
it again if I do cool if someone wants

979
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:41,690
me to go out and look for something

980
00:37:47,350 --> 00:37:44,690
maybe I will but no I don't personally

981
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,360
want to see that again I've had my

982
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:49,760
perception change I've had that moment

983
00:37:55,810 --> 00:37:52,490
of oh everything is not what we think it

984
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,820
is and yeah yeah that's that's kind of

985
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,160
where it left me Wow okay so we've got

986
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:00,800
episode six what what's what's another

987
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:03,080
one that really stuck out to you this is

988
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,570
another and I hate to you know I'm not

989
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,760
trying to add any more mystery to these

990
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:10,160
or to my show or to myself but this is

991
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:13,010
another anonymous person an anonymous

992
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:15,050
location in fact I don't even think that

993
00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:17,960
I was calling him by any name whatsoever

994
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:20,060
I can't even remember now ah that's

995
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:22,910
gotta be tough yeah and this is another

996
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:25,640
one where you know he and like you said

997
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,260
you know with recalling your story and

998
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:28,640
you were at a vulnerable moment I

999
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,050
totally get that because when I was

1000
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:33,440
first on Sasquatch Chronicles and then

1001
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:35,660
show notes I wasn't really talking about

1002
00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:36,260
my

1003
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:38,120
experience at all the first time I told

1004
00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:40,850
it in full was on

1005
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,340
I'm the worst episode five my own show I

1006
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:46,000
can't even what the hell Steve Stockton

1007
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:48,140
strange things in the woods episode was

1008
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:49,550
where I told it in full and I had a

1009
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:51,290
tough time getting through that but I

1010
00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:52,990
will say that I've said this many times

1011
00:38:57,490 --> 00:38:55,100
shadow people like to show up in your

1012
00:38:59,710 --> 00:38:57,500
damn house and in your freaking bedroom

1013
00:39:02,590 --> 00:38:59,720
and if it had been that and not what I

1014
00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:02,600
had during the day grew that I feel

1015
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:04,220
horrible for people that have some going

1016
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:05,810
on their house because that is supposed

1017
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:07,790
to be your safe place those little punks

1018
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:10,610
that they have no right to be going and

1019
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:12,860
standing in some freaking corner bedroom

1020
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:14,840
which Sam's even had that happen I think

1021
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,940
he had one like crouching by his bed and

1022
00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:19,280
his girlfriend saw something at the end

1023
00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:20,840
of the bed one time I'm like oh that's

1024
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:22,940
no that's a big bagging no right there

1025
00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:25,430
all right I'm so sorry I digressed again

1026
00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:29,540
so this is episode 85 and it is entitled

1027
00:39:35,470 --> 00:39:31,880
an unfounded call this incident took

1028
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:35,480
place in 2009 and this is a sheriff's

1029
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:37,610
deputy at this point in time he is no

1030
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:39,710
longer a sheriff's deputy and it is

1031
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:42,050
because of this incident so there is an

1032
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:45,050
abandoned house in this place and for

1033
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:47,570
some reason a dispatch kept getting

1034
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:49,940
called out to this abandoned house and

1035
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:51,890
when you get called out to a place that

1036
00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:53,720
you know that there really shouldn't be

1037
00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:56,180
calls coming from or there's no reason

1038
00:39:59,980 --> 00:39:58,070
to really be there they call it an

1039
00:40:01,870 --> 00:39:59,990
unfounded call and there's a code for it

1040
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:01,880
I just I don't remember what the the

1041
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:03,260
three numbers is for that but it's

1042
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:06,260
called an unfounded call so he is he

1043
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,850
works night shifts I think he said he

1044
00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:10,160
started his shifts shortly before the

1045
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:11,780
Sun would go down and then work mostly

1046
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:13,880
through the night so on this particular

1047
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:17,030
night they get another 9-1-1 call from

1048
00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:19,070
this house and it's a hang up so he has

1049
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:20,360
to go out there he's been out there a

1050
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:21,800
few times and every time he goes out

1051
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:23,390
he's like okay there's nothing going on

1052
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:25,940
let's just get on with my night well on

1053
00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:27,590
this particular night he gets called out

1054
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:29,480
there he goes at the back port and looks

1055
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:32,150
in the sliding glass door and he

1056
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,970
actually does see a figure walking up

1057
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:36,650
the stairs he goes oh my god there's

1058
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:39,500
actually somebody here it proceeds to go

1059
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:41,570
all the way up the stairs so he grabs

1060
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:44,810
onto the back door and it is open so he

1061
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:46,460
does what he's supposed to do in that

1062
00:40:50,109 --> 00:40:48,890
situation and he calls for radio silence

1063
00:40:52,509 --> 00:40:50,119
so that someone's not just come

1064
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:52,519
over the radio and giving away the fact

1065
00:40:57,009 --> 00:40:54,109
that he's in the house he needs it quiet

1066
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,019
I guess the way that works is I think

1067
00:41:01,720 --> 00:40:59,119
that they can still listen in I'm not

1068
00:41:03,759 --> 00:41:01,730
quite sure about that but he needed it

1069
00:41:06,009 --> 00:41:03,769
quiet on his end so he pulls I was

1070
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:06,019
flashlight he goes upstairs and he

1071
00:41:07,989 --> 00:41:07,400
searches a couple of rooms and there's

1072
00:41:10,839 --> 00:41:07,999
nothing there

1073
00:41:13,029 --> 00:41:10,849
one of the last rooms he goes into the

1074
00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:13,039
radio goes out the flashlight goes out

1075
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:15,740
and he's like oh okay that's a little

1076
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:17,450
weird I remember him saying that he

1077
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:19,670
actually was hitting the flashlight at

1078
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:21,650
one point trying to get it to come back

1079
00:41:26,259 --> 00:41:24,440
on he enters the room fully he sees on

1080
00:41:27,759 --> 00:41:26,269
the far side of the room and this

1081
00:41:29,769 --> 00:41:27,769
description just gave me chills because

1082
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:29,779
I wasn't keep in mind that when I'm

1083
00:41:33,789 --> 00:41:32,390
recording this for his episode I didn't

1084
00:41:35,799 --> 00:41:33,799
have any idea what was coming and

1085
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:35,809
sometimes I liked that it doesn't always

1086
00:41:39,009 --> 00:41:36,980
make for the best interview because I

1087
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:39,019
don't have any stuff ahead of time but

1088
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:41,720
then again I was flabbergasted so this

1089
00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:43,190
is the first time I was here in this as

1090
00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:45,859
what what got recorded for episode 85 so

1091
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,559
he goes into the room and he sees a dark

1092
00:41:52,509 --> 00:41:50,720
figure as tall as the ceiling and I

1093
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:52,519
remember him saying that he goes Shanon

1094
00:41:55,809 --> 00:41:54,410
it was a lot like what you mentioned in

1095
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:55,819
your encounter that it was like the

1096
00:42:00,099 --> 00:41:58,220
deepest darkest blackest you know night

1097
00:42:01,979 --> 00:42:00,109
and it was even darker than that somehow

1098
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:01,989
and it was as tall as a ceiling I'm like

1099
00:42:08,019 --> 00:42:06,710
okay Wow so he thinks okay this is kind

1100
00:42:10,839 --> 00:42:08,029
of weird but I'm gonna identify myself

1101
00:42:12,609 --> 00:42:10,849
as an officer of the law and you need to

1102
00:42:15,249 --> 00:42:12,619
stay where you are there's no response

1103
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,259
the figure begins moving very slowly

1104
00:42:19,989 --> 00:42:18,079
towards them and now this gets a little

1105
00:42:23,229 --> 00:42:19,999
bit more into maybe your realm of things

1106
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:23,239
Ryan yeah figure moves slowly towards

1107
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:25,220
him but then the next thing he remembers

1108
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:28,670
he is in his patrol car again and he's

1109
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:31,460
driving down a desolate Road maybe a

1110
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:34,130
half an a mile from this house so he

1111
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:35,690
doesn't remember leaving the room he

1112
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,950
doesn't remember what happened with the

1113
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:38,960
shadow figure doesn't remember getting

1114
00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:40,670
in the patrol car I just wakes up and

1115
00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:42,619
he's driving on the road yeah sounds

1116
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:47,029
familiar dunno better feet yeah

1117
00:42:51,309 --> 00:42:48,950
shortly thereafter of course he's

1118
00:42:53,259 --> 00:42:51,319
hearing his radio getting blown up he's

1119
00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:53,269
like are you okay are you okay and he

1120
00:42:56,799 --> 00:42:55,099
gives the code saying yes I'm fine but

1121
00:42:59,979 --> 00:42:56,809
then he notices he's getting this

1122
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,989
intense ringing in his ear and he's very

1123
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:02,960
dizzy and lightheaded so he decides he's

1124
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:03,530
gonna pull the car

1125
00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:05,390
/ he's like so you know something's

1126
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:06,620
really wrong here so he calls his

1127
00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:09,050
sergeant he says hey man I I'm not

1128
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,000
feeling good I think I might pass out he

1129
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:14,240
locks his his gun in the trunk case he

1130
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:15,950
does pass out some whacko comes by

1131
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:18,290
sitting there with a gun and so he waits

1132
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,630
for the deputies to arrive to his

1133
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:22,910
location I don't think he passes out

1134
00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:24,770
again at that point there's no other

1135
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:26,540
missing time so he does stay awake the

1136
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,850
deputies get there they proceed to take

1137
00:43:34,090 --> 00:43:31,550
him to the hospital and he goes home

1138
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:34,100
he's released everything seems okay he's

1139
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:35,900
still a little dizzy and shaken up the

1140
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:38,870
next day and this is another big tie-in

1141
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:40,940
with a lot of things that we hear of the

1142
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:43,070
very next morning I think it was 5:00 or

1143
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:45,500
5:30 really early he gets a knock on the

1144
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:48,050
door and it's two guys in black suits

1145
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:51,260
and sunglasses and they're telling him

1146
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:53,030
you need to sign these papers you've

1147
00:43:57,010 --> 00:43:54,980
been released from duty this is not

1148
00:43:59,110 --> 00:43:57,020
disciplinary you can get your job back

1149
00:44:01,570 --> 00:43:59,120
Sunday you can reapply it's really no

1150
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:01,580
problem just sign these papers he did he

1151
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:03,590
did admit that he's like I was young I

1152
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:05,930
was really naive I was very intimidated

1153
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:08,060
and I'm going through a lot of traumatic

1154
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:10,040
stuff you know from the night before and

1155
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:11,540
I still feel a little strange so I

1156
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:13,730
signed the papers but he did have a I

1157
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:15,590
guess they gave him you know a copy of

1158
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,170
it or whatever any hands over his badge

1159
00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:20,960
and his his gun and all the things that

1160
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:23,120
he needs to do his job to these guys

1161
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:25,130
because he's assuming that he just got

1162
00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:28,280
he just got let go so the day keeps

1163
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:30,500
going through and the next night next

1164
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:33,290
day one of his fellow sheriff's deputies

1165
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:34,760
calls and he's like dude why didn't you

1166
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:36,410
show up for your shift last night like

1167
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:38,840
what what is this no call no call or no

1168
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:41,210
show BS right he's like what are you

1169
00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:42,980
talking about he's like I just I sign

1170
00:44:47,290 --> 00:44:46,040
release papers and I you guys let me go

1171
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:47,300
what the hell are you talking about and

1172
00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:51,350
the guy's like no we we didn't release

1173
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:53,870
you and in fact the captain is getting

1174
00:44:57,940 --> 00:44:55,750
ready to press charges on you because of

1175
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,950
its like stolen property I mean you

1176
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:00,440
can't just take a an issue gun and

1177
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:02,420
badges and all that kind of stuff that

1178
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:04,850
can be a dangerous situation so he's

1179
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:06,110
like well captain's gonna press charges

1180
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:08,030
so you better produce that sheet of

1181
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:09,950
paper that you sign saying that we

1182
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:11,150
released you or you're gonna have

1183
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:13,220
serious problems you got a game like

1184
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:15,650
half hour 45 minutes and he said that he

1185
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:17,000
and his wife tore the house apart they

1186
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:17,420
couldn't

1187
00:45:21,130 --> 00:45:19,309
that paper he's like I just signed the

1188
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:21,140
damn thing yesterday I have no idea

1189
00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,910
where it went and to this day I don't

1190
00:45:27,010 --> 00:45:24,500
think he's ever found that by the way at

1191
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:27,020
this point he gets a phone call shortly

1192
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:28,700
after I think it's around an hour later

1193
00:45:32,109 --> 00:45:30,230
and they're still trying to tear the

1194
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,119
house apart for this sheet of paper he

1195
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:34,640
gets a phone call from his captain or

1196
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:36,619
that same gentleman his friend and said

1197
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:37,970
that this is all they said which is

1198
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,450
strange

1199
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:41,119
he said County called you're good they

1200
00:45:45,099 --> 00:45:43,010
they have your badge they have your

1201
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:45,109
badge they have you gone you're off the

1202
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:45,980
hook you're fine

1203
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:48,140
don't worry about it is his job wasn't

1204
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:49,790
fine but they weren't gonna press

1205
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:53,510
charges so I I mean a little little

1206
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:55,250
strange so you're like Oh County called

1207
00:46:00,190 --> 00:45:57,470
and they had they have your badges but

1208
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:00,200
they you know they I'm anyway that

1209
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:03,049
that's that is the main portion of that

1210
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:06,200
story but this gentleman still to this

1211
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:09,140
day has he has health issues involved

1212
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:11,510
with this so you remember the the the

1213
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:13,609
dizziness and the ringing in the ears he

1214
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:15,650
has a blockage in his left ear and that

1215
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:18,170
was confirmed through MRI and and before

1216
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:19,849
I go on but let me interject her really

1217
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:21,260
quickly before I forget that I

1218
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:23,240
personally have seen the paperwork and

1219
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:25,130
he did in fact work for this Sheriff's

1220
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:26,890
Department and you know that was

1221
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,980
verified through myself so yeah I meant

1222
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:32,900
to say that in the beginning sorry so

1223
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:34,569
yeah he's got a blockage in his left ear

1224
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:37,490
continuous continued I should say

1225
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:41,000
dizziness and lightheadedness and he

1226
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:42,710
actually has experienced some pretty

1227
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:44,900
significant hearing loss in that left

1228
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:47,450
ear so yeah you've got you know the

1229
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:49,940
strange figure which just it seems very

1230
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:52,700
like ghosty paranormal goes there too

1231
00:46:58,450 --> 00:46:55,190
missing time and a very nefarious

1232
00:47:00,609 --> 00:46:58,460
letting go of one's job with law

1233
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,619
enforcement and now ongoing health

1234
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:02,480
issues he says that he's tried to

1235
00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:03,950
reapply like they said that he could

1236
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:05,900
whoever those two men were said he could

1237
00:47:11,289 --> 00:47:08,410
reapply so he has tried to do that and

1238
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:11,299
anytime he goes to another department he

1239
00:47:16,329 --> 00:47:14,020
will not get hired because the previous

1240
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:16,339
Department he was with they wouldn't

1241
00:47:20,049 --> 00:47:17,990
disclose why they let him go so he

1242
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,059
cannot get a job as a law enforcement

1243
00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:22,880
officer at this time oh my god that's so

1244
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:23,540
sad

1245
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:25,490
I mean the guys sort of based his life

1246
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:27,530
around wanting to serve and protect and

1247
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:29,480
then the moment he's thrust into like

1248
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:30,130
clear

1249
00:47:35,009 --> 00:47:33,369
in an explainable situation they just

1250
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:35,019
turned their backs on him you have to

1251
00:47:39,749 --> 00:47:37,210
wonder like how far up it goes right

1252
00:47:41,759 --> 00:47:39,759
exactly and I mean the guys from County

1253
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:41,769
and then the t-i I remember asking him

1254
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:43,930
when I was talking to him because he was

1255
00:47:47,759 --> 00:47:46,089
the one that first mentioned he goes

1256
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:47,769
they look classic men and black these

1257
00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:49,960
you know very crisp clean suits and

1258
00:47:54,089 --> 00:47:52,599
sunglasses and I even asked him well

1259
00:47:55,769 --> 00:47:54,099
what were they driving and he didn't

1260
00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:55,779
remember but you know it's just these

1261
00:47:59,729 --> 00:47:57,700
little things and to keep adding up but

1262
00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:59,739
there's so many elements of that story I

1263
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:01,210
was just sitting there going I'm sorry

1264
00:48:05,609 --> 00:48:02,920
I'm just trying to process all this and

1265
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,619
I really know where to go with it I mean

1266
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:07,359
what what are you what are your first

1267
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:09,700
instincts on that kind of a story well I

1268
00:48:14,819 --> 00:48:12,130
mean to me this was an abduction

1269
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:14,829
experience except for the beginning of

1270
00:48:21,029 --> 00:48:18,910
it which I'm also speechless like you

1271
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:21,039
don't you don't often see something that

1272
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:23,410
would appear at first sight to be

1273
00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:27,670
supernatural then turn into a almost

1274
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:29,859
prototypical abduction experience

1275
00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:32,920
followed by men in black it's it's very

1276
00:48:37,769 --> 00:48:35,109
interesting and Who am I to say that

1277
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,779
that's not the case it doesn't these

1278
00:48:41,759 --> 00:48:39,940
things are all interconnected somehow we

1279
00:48:44,099 --> 00:48:41,769
always bring this up yes

1280
00:48:46,739 --> 00:48:44,109
in almost every conversation between us

1281
00:48:49,229 --> 00:48:46,749
is it doesn't have to just be an alien

1282
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:49,239
experience or a ghost experience like

1283
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:51,910
these things can often intermingle and

1284
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:54,130
just be a plethora mixing what do you

1285
00:48:59,219 --> 00:48:56,619
call it a a melting pot of just weird

1286
00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:59,229
yeah it's a [\h__\h] show basically it is

1287
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:01,210
you know what's interesting that the

1288
00:49:05,069 --> 00:49:03,130
loud ringing that he heard

1289
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:05,079
I remember having that experience with

1290
00:49:09,269 --> 00:49:06,910
mine like I said my senses were in

1291
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:09,279
overdrive I remembered sounds and I

1292
00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:12,130
remembered feelings I remember hearing a

1293
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:14,829
very a vibration through my body but

1294
00:49:19,769 --> 00:49:16,420
also a ringing in my ears

1295
00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:19,779
and ever since maybe I had this all my

1296
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:21,940
life I I don't know I'd have to ask my

1297
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:24,460
parents but ever since that event I am

1298
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:28,210
almost I would say maybe 80% deaf in my

1299
00:49:33,089 --> 00:49:31,450
right ear it's terrible like if you're

1300
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,099
talking to me on my right side it's

1301
00:49:38,099 --> 00:49:34,960
almost as if you don't exist in it's

1302
00:49:40,349 --> 00:49:38,109
it's gotten worse I've had a lot of your

1303
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:40,359
problems hearing problems as I've grown

1304
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:42,940
older but I I don't want to make a

1305
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,720
connection

1306
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:45,760
that truly isn't one but that stuck out

1307
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:47,710
to me when you mentioned that that he he

1308
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:49,750
you know his his hearing deteriorated

1309
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,970
ever since then I can sort of relate to

1310
00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:53,920
that again maybe it's connected maybe

1311
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:56,619
not but that that's very interesting Wow

1312
00:50:02,370 --> 00:49:58,630
yeah and I don't think I've ever told

1313
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:02,380
anyone that to be I was just trying to

1314
00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:03,910
think I was like I was just gonna ask

1315
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:05,619
you have you said that before because I

1316
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,170
don't remember hearing that that's Wow

1317
00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:09,760
yeah yeah

1318
00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:12,340
so again if it was due to that event I'm

1319
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:14,380
kind of reluctant that it happened but

1320
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:15,790
at the same time I wouldn't trade it for

1321
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:17,830
anything that's sort of still sent me on

1322
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:19,990
this path and you know I said hearing

1323
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:22,630
aids or for I guess man yeah I'm I'm

1324
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:24,970
sorry to hear that I didn't even realize

1325
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:26,410
I mean yeah like he said you don't want

1326
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:28,270
to jump and make an automatic connection

1327
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:30,670
there but I mean you can't help but kind

1328
00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:32,050
of think especially when you hear

1329
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:34,300
similar stories absolutely and that

1330
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:36,849
happens all the time we we find people

1331
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:39,250
who have had similar experiences and

1332
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:40,540
it's like oh my god I got to talk to

1333
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:43,450
them like I'm no longer alone that's the

1334
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:46,420
one thing that I think a lot of people

1335
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:48,790
who are willing to come forward and tell

1336
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:50,410
their stories they're looking for

1337
00:50:53,849 --> 00:50:51,940
closure or they're looking for someone

1338
00:50:57,570 --> 00:50:53,859
to relate to and I think that's

1339
00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:57,580
extremely important you know and and I

1340
00:51:01,920 --> 00:50:59,470
think that's great that people have

1341
00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:01,930
outlets to tell their stories or inspire

1342
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:04,060
them to start their own you know we are

1343
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:07,270
good friends Vance and Jennifer who were

1344
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:08,980
listeners of ours for the longest time

1345
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:10,900
they now have their own show where

1346
00:51:15,089 --> 00:51:12,790
they're also doing this and they've had

1347
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:15,099
their own experiences and we're all like

1348
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:16,660
this big community of people who are

1349
00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:18,730
just trying to I don't even know if I

1350
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:20,589
want to say find answers because I don't

1351
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:22,690
know if we ever will as soon as that

1352
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,480
sounds I honestly don't think we will I

1353
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:28,000
think these are mysteries that will be

1354
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:30,940
with us till you know unfortunately that

1355
00:51:36,329 --> 00:51:33,970
day we leave this plane but maybe we'll

1356
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,339
find those answers in the afterlife if

1357
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:39,760
there is one but yeah it's I've made

1358
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:41,830
friends and I've made such close

1359
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:43,240
connections with people that I never

1360
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:44,980
would have talked to in my daily life

1361
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:47,500
except for these profound experiences

1362
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:50,140
they've all had so wow yeah that that

1363
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:52,060
was that wouldn't trick me up a little I

1364
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:53,140
don't know what to make of it I'm

1365
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:54,870
speechless as well and Ryan

1366
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:56,430
I wanted to ask you because you you

1367
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,290
brought up the whole interconnectivity

1368
00:52:01,940 --> 00:51:59,880
there's got to be something I've been

1369
00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:01,950
you know I say that to you I'm like

1370
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:04,560
there's got to be a lot more tie-ins to

1371
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,330
the I don't think that this is

1372
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:08,040
completely separate from this and this

1373
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,720
is completely separate from that there's

1374
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:11,700
got to be some threads there what do you

1375
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:14,550
make of the folks who they might wake up

1376
00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:17,430
in their bedroom and there's Gray's the

1377
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:18,120
quintessential

1378
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,340
classic gray in their bedroom and they

1379
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:22,680
say something like in the name of Jesus

1380
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:25,110
you need to go you know get out of my

1381
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,110
house or whatever and it works why would

1382
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:30,240
a grey alien give a [\h__\h] if somebody

1383
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:32,850
mentions the name Jesus Christ that's a

1384
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:35,640
really good question and we actually on

1385
00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:37,740
an episode of into the fray we spoke to

1386
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,320
Patty I do you remember that the woman

1387
00:52:44,810 --> 00:52:42,240
who came on to talk yeah with her

1388
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:44,820
daughter's so she had a triangular UFO

1389
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:47,580
experience with her daughter's it then

1390
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:49,650
turned into a plethora of stuff they

1391
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:51,810
started seeing beings walking through

1392
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:54,930
their home almost like prototypical grey

1393
00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:55,830
aliens

1394
00:52:59,840 --> 00:52:57,990
demonic sort of stuff poltergeist stuff

1395
00:53:02,180 --> 00:52:59,850
happening within the home it was crazy

1396
00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:02,190
again just like everything thrown at

1397
00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:05,340
them and their way of dealing with it

1398
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,470
they it's sort of alienated the

1399
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:09,000
daughters from the mother for a long

1400
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,740
time they didn't talk to one another but

1401
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:12,390
what brought them back together was

1402
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,610
prayer they were spiritual I believe

1403
00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:16,800
they were Christian and they started

1404
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:18,600
praying for these things to go away and

1405
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:21,660
for the daughters it did so the mother

1406
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:23,940
still has some experiences but at least

1407
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:26,250
her daughters were safe or at least felt

1408
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:28,350
safe and we do hear this often the power

1409
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,110
of prayer can do amazing things and

1410
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:33,780
whether it's just a state of mind that

1411
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,570
you're being positive and you're you're

1412
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:38,880
believing so much in something that you

1413
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,770
can actually manifest it that that's

1414
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:44,160
very possible in terms of if these greys

1415
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:46,080
and someone's bedroom are demonic I

1416
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,660
don't know I can't honestly say that I

1417
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:51,000
don't personally believe that I don't

1418
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,670
think that that it that has anything to

1419
00:53:57,380 --> 00:53:55,200
do with this but for anyone who does

1420
00:54:00,200 --> 00:53:57,390
believe that all the power to you and if

1421
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,210
if God is going to be your thing too if

1422
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:02,760
this if this is horrible and you don't

1423
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:04,500
want to experience it and God is there

1424
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:07,080
for you awesome you know use them use it

1425
00:54:10,759 --> 00:54:07,890
right

1426
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:10,769
use it but I I honestly don't know I've

1427
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:12,660
had people ask me like what the hell

1428
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:15,569
would an alien grave like care about you

1429
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,059
praying like and you know it's funny

1430
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:21,000
when I was a kid I went to confession I

1431
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,170
don't know if I've told you this story

1432
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:24,240
before I might have I went to confession

1433
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,240
I'm I was born I was raised Roman

1434
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:30,480
Catholic and I got in there I said a few

1435
00:54:35,779 --> 00:54:33,450
of my weekly you know sins that I was

1436
00:54:38,539 --> 00:54:35,789
there to confess and then I asked the

1437
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:38,549
priests hey what's up with aliens like

1438
00:54:43,940 --> 00:54:40,859
what do you think about that what and I

1439
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,950
really threw him off guard and it's kind

1440
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:45,960
of funny because I think within that

1441
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,170
small congregation at church people did

1442
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,880
know that I was into this sort of stuff

1443
00:54:58,279 --> 00:54:52,799
I would bring it up no matter where I

1444
00:55:01,539 --> 00:54:58,289
was my mom would always shut me up and

1445
00:55:03,859 --> 00:55:01,549
he laughed it is like is this Ryan

1446
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:03,869
you know because you got the partition

1447
00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:07,710
there right and then he was so good

1448
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,960
about it he was like you know what Ryan

1449
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:11,880
oh I'll entertain this he's like the

1450
00:55:15,859 --> 00:55:13,950
Catholic Church has no stance on if

1451
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:15,869
aliens are real or not he said but

1452
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,440
personally I believe that if God was

1453
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:21,660
all-powerful and created everything that

1454
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:24,420
of course he would create other worlds

1455
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:27,660
with other life too it only shows the

1456
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:30,569
vastness of God's power and you know

1457
00:55:34,819 --> 00:55:32,670
what that that was that really stuck

1458
00:55:36,769 --> 00:55:34,829
with me no matter where my faith brought

1459
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:36,779
me as I grew older that's a completely

1460
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:40,380
different story but I respected that yet

1461
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:42,930
maybe if there is a God maybe he did

1462
00:55:46,999 --> 00:55:44,700
create these aliens maybe they're here

1463
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,009
to do their thing experiment with us to

1464
00:55:51,319 --> 00:55:49,859
have some Galactic Federation someday I

1465
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:51,329
I honestly don't know

1466
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,490
do I believe they're demonic and demonic

1467
00:55:58,519 --> 00:55:56,160
in nature no I do not I don't believe

1468
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,529
that they may lack empathy they may lack

1469
00:56:02,539 --> 00:56:00,420
ethics that we have here on planet earth

1470
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,549
but I do not believe there some

1471
00:56:07,789 --> 00:56:05,099
manifested source of pure evil we've

1472
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,799
seen that on this planet many times but

1473
00:56:11,299 --> 00:56:09,180
I don't believe it's coming from other

1474
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,309
planets no that was really cool that he

1475
00:56:15,859 --> 00:56:13,200
did like you said entertain that thought

1476
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:15,869
and go down that vein with you yeah a

1477
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:17,910
quick moment um you know what's really

1478
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:20,220
interesting though is they say that we

1479
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:21,390
are created and God

1480
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:24,060
likeness right so what does that say if

1481
00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:26,730
he did create aliens of the grace or the

1482
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:29,340
Nordics or is this a perma this kind of

1483
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:31,590
a situation right where they came first

1484
00:56:35,810 --> 00:56:33,630
and then they created us but then I

1485
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:35,820
don't know it's quite the rabbit hole

1486
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:39,470
but it's just a constant just loop of

1487
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:42,360
uncertainty you know if we do say God

1488
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,490
created in our image if that's the case

1489
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,400
then you know God is looks like us he's

1490
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:49,740
got two hands two feet legs everything

1491
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,340
that that seems odd to me you know we

1492
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:55,440
don't agree we perceive everything

1493
00:56:59,300 --> 00:56:57,090
through human eyes and what we've

1494
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:59,310
experienced as we've evolved you know

1495
00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:02,130
maybe God is some sort of chameleon and

1496
00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:04,740
can be anything that it wants to be as

1497
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:06,990
long as we can handle it you know that's

1498
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:09,180
maybe it's more like it you know the

1499
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,610
horrible CGI in it and I still don't

1500
00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:12,960
know what it looks like because I

1501
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:14,040
haven't gotten to the end of the book

1502
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:16,230
and of course this movie you didn't

1503
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:18,390
cover that but yeah I'm just I'm totally

1504
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:20,040
on board with that what you're saying I

1505
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:21,930
just find it hard to believe if that

1506
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:24,090
he's actually got a human shape he's out

1507
00:57:28,610 --> 00:57:26,250
there yeah I would have to agree I don't

1508
00:57:30,050 --> 00:57:28,620
know and a lot of people mention the

1509
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:30,060
screen memories when they have these

1510
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:31,800
abduction experiences that whatever

1511
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:33,690
these aliens are they will take a form

1512
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:35,610
that you are familiar with to comfort

1513
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:38,820
you to make it easier to for your brain

1514
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:41,190
to sort of process and then they'll

1515
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:42,570
strip you of that memory right after

1516
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:43,710
right then you're like well what the

1517
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:46,410
hell is the point of yeah I'm you know

1518
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:48,450
it should have just you don't you just

1519
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:51,180
show up like you're supposed to show up

1520
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:55,290
yeah who you be just be you aliens be

1521
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:59,430
you be me you're gonna screen memory me

1522
00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:00,180
anyway

1523
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:02,430
exactly he's like hey did you just flash

1524
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:05,400
you think me okay yeah you know it's

1525
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:08,220
funny I I remember talking to my Cleland

1526
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:11,010
about the the owls in alien abductees

1527
00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:13,650
and he did mention there are many cases

1528
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,350
he's come across where aliens seem to be

1529
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:18,240
pretty bumbling at times they they

1530
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,310
aren't perfect know even if they

1531
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,710
traveled here from so many light-years

1532
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:25,200
away and they seem to be so far advanced

1533
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:27,690
like they're good they're gonna screw up

1534
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,490
every now and again look at people of

1535
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:32,160
Earth on TV yes those aliens are so

1536
00:58:37,450 --> 00:58:34,850
stupid yeah

1537
00:58:39,220 --> 00:58:37,460
who knows hey guys I have to interrupt

1538
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:39,230
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00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:41,270
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1559
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:30,800
let's do one more if you if you if

1560
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:33,470
you're up for it I'd love to yeah you

1561
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:34,850
got another one for us what do you got

1562
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:37,700
so this is um this is something that

1563
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:41,180
happened recently for me and talking

1564
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:43,820
about the threads and the tie-ins and

1565
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:46,280
this one really took me down a large

1566
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:48,230
rabbit hole that I really I wasn't

1567
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:50,930
expecting which was nice and now it had

1568
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:54,050
to do with the Fae and Fae folk fairies

1569
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:55,640
and I had that sentence sounds very

1570
00:59:59,860 --> 00:59:57,170
giggly especially when you say fairies

1571
01:00:03,490 --> 00:59:59,870
but these fairies are not the flitting

1572
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:03,500
about the flowers and it was seeding the

1573
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:06,650
earth with loveliness and in light and

1574
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:08,780
these are some pretty nasty things if

1575
01:00:14,020 --> 01:00:10,970
we're to believe that they are out there

1576
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:14,030
so this was episode 103 and it initially

1577
01:00:19,180 --> 01:00:16,460
started because a lady named Pam called

1578
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,190
in on have said 100 which was entitled

1579
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:20,960
frayed lines and if you want to hear her

1580
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:23,330
original it was when she called into the

1581
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:25,910
hotline she told a couple stories of her

1582
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:28,670
growing up with the Fae or at least what

1583
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:32,480
she can best classify as a folk so 103

1584
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:35,270
comes around and I ended up talking to

1585
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:37,190
Pam myself and we talked for a good long

1586
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:40,190
while and one of the stories and this

1587
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:43,070
was in episode 100 on recording but I

1588
01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:45,410
had her tell it again so I could you

1589
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:47,120
know do the old picking apart

1590
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:48,000
and asking

1591
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:50,490
questions of him and one of these little

1592
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:52,470
Fae folks she remember seeing when she's

1593
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:53,970
very young I think she was four or five

1594
01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:55,980
and this little dude when we're talking

1595
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,750
about why would an alien give a [\h__\h]

1596
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,240
about the name Jesus Christ this is

1597
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:02,400
funny to me because she said this little

1598
01:01:08,660 --> 01:01:04,860
man little meaning really really little

1599
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:08,670
like really yeah yeah I'm not trying to

1600
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:11,250
get any political correctness here he

1601
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:14,070
was a very tiny little man he had two

1602
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:16,170
clothes on and he had a little pouch and

1603
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:17,280
she said I don't know it was in the

1604
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:19,110
pouch but he had a little pouch on the

1605
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,700
leather pouch over is like slung over

1606
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,440
her shoulder or something and little

1607
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:24,000
clothes I'm thinking why the hell would

1608
01:01:27,740 --> 01:01:25,200
this little dude give a crap about

1609
01:01:30,110 --> 01:01:27,750
wearing clothes he's you know like two

1610
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:30,120
feet tall but anyhow she's at her

1611
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:32,460
grandmother's house and she's playing in

1612
01:01:37,850 --> 01:01:34,530
the dirt with this little jewelry box

1613
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:37,860
and what's in the jewelry box is like

1614
01:01:42,590 --> 01:01:40,110
fake plastic jewelry with like plastic

1615
01:01:43,850 --> 01:01:42,600
jewels and little necklaces and she said

1616
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:43,860
as she's playing with this this little

1617
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:47,010
dude is just enamored with the jewelry

1618
01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:49,650
and she ended up burying the box at one

1619
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:52,620
point and going back and it was gone

1620
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:54,690
out of the ground and she to this day

1621
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:55,890
well you know I asked her well where'd

1622
01:01:59,360 --> 01:01:57,450
that box go with the jewelry that the

1623
01:02:01,460 --> 01:01:59,370
little man loves so much because I don't

1624
01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:01,470
know it's kind of like oh maybe it's in

1625
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,750
some some other realm other dimension

1626
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:05,640
with the Fae folk right and you know

1627
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:07,170
that's just me trying to lighten up the

1628
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:10,260
mood because this woman um had a lot of

1629
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:13,410
really difficult experiences with what

1630
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:16,440
she considers the Fae and she's got an

1631
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:18,860
Irish background and her

1632
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:22,440
great-grandmother was what people called

1633
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:24,810
her a Banff essa which is basically a

1634
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:27,570
witch and she I don't think that this

1635
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:29,430
woman would dabble in a you know a lot

1636
01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:31,770
of dark stuff or anything but I guess

1637
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:33,630
she just wasn't very kind to people from

1638
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:35,400
what Pam said so people called her a

1639
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:37,950
witch certain members of her family also

1640
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:41,430
would see horned creatures and hoofed

1641
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:44,430
creatures her grandmother was asked at

1642
01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:47,490
one point when she was out tending to

1643
01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:51,150
some cattle in on their property she was

1644
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:52,860
carrying something and there was

1645
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:54,330
supposedly this horned and hoofed

1646
01:02:59,240 --> 01:02:56,430
creature sitting on a fence and it asked

1647
01:03:01,040 --> 01:02:59,250
her if her load was heavy you know like

1648
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:01,050
do you need help your load looks heavy

1649
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:01,950
and

1650
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:03,450
being taught from when she was a little

1651
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:06,180
girl you never ever you just want to

1652
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:07,890
ignore them you don't want to talk to

1653
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:09,930
them and if they offer help my god you

1654
01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:11,400
don't take it so she's like nope I'm

1655
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:13,500
good and just books it and that was the

1656
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:15,960
end of that story also something that

1657
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:17,970
happened and I should have written this

1658
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,470
down I should have gone back in and

1659
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:20,640
loved I apologize

1660
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,460
she went to Ireland a number of years

1661
01:03:29,030 --> 01:03:26,160
ago and she and a friend are walking

1662
01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:29,040
through this forest somewhere in Ireland

1663
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:31,109
and even though she's terrified of the

1664
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:34,170
Fae and I skipped over a story but it's

1665
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,730
for a reason I'll come back to it but

1666
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:37,859
she decided to go to Ireland even though

1667
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:39,450
she's terrified of these things and kind

1668
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:40,980
of faced her fear and be like I got this

1669
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:42,900
I'll just do what I normally do do what

1670
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:44,430
I was taught ignore them they won't

1671
01:03:50,359 --> 01:03:46,380
bother you a friend is throwing some

1672
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:50,369
coins down on the ground for some you

1673
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:53,250
know reason I cannot remember at this

1674
01:03:58,670 --> 01:03:56,040
time and Pam was just going along her

1675
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:58,680
merry way and at some point she her

1676
01:04:03,799 --> 01:04:01,680
vision gets hazy I so hazy that she

1677
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:03,809
can't see what's in front of her and she

1678
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,210
said her hearing changed it was like she

1679
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:08,579
wasn't where she knew she was supposed

1680
01:04:15,049 --> 01:04:11,490
to be and as some kind of a serpent

1681
01:04:17,660 --> 01:04:15,059
looking creature came towards her she

1682
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:17,670
basically said I felt like I was that

1683
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:19,770
was the end of me and she was very

1684
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:21,150
emotional and she was telling this story

1685
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,059
it was one of the more terrifying ones

1686
01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:27,119
for her and she we actually got out of

1687
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:30,270
that realm or that did but place

1688
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:32,250
whatever you want to call it she got out

1689
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:36,270
of there her vision was actually

1690
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:39,720
affected for almost a full day I believe

1691
01:04:44,539 --> 01:04:42,030
after that happened she's like I don't

1692
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,549
know if it is because of my friend

1693
01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:46,799
throwing coins down or maybe I wasn't or

1694
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:49,109
I don't know what the deal was but she

1695
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:50,910
she feels like she can see these things

1696
01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:52,890
it doesn't happen all the time to her

1697
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:55,619
but when it does it can be really quite

1698
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:58,890
dramatic and traumatic so this wasn't

1699
01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:00,420
the only time that I talked to Pam and

1700
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:03,180
on an insider episode we had another

1701
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,599
almost two-hour conversation where we we

1702
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:08,400
delve more into the background on the

1703
01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:11,040
Fae where they came from the types of

1704
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:14,190
Fae like a brownie which is a also a

1705
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,810
funny name but a

1706
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:18,240
I go a brownie it sounds like what was

1707
01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:20,220
interested in all your jewelry and she

1708
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:21,540
goes yeah it does sound like a brownie

1709
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,430
and they have little little leather

1710
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:26,160
clothing on and pouches and for the most

1711
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:28,830
part they're pretty benign another phone

1712
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:31,410
call on episode 100 that she called in

1713
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:33,810
with was something that one of my

1714
01:05:37,610 --> 01:05:35,310
listeners actually ended up doing a

1715
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:37,620
drawing for and it is the episode image

1716
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:41,420
for episode 100 and it was a fait with

1717
01:05:47,060 --> 01:05:44,970
long scraggly black hair when sharp

1718
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:47,070
teeth why the hell they need sharp teeth

1719
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:48,930
I don't know and me and Pam laughed

1720
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:50,610
about this I'm like you don't need sharp

1721
01:05:55,940 --> 01:05:52,470
teeth unless you're just ripping flesh

1722
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:55,950
from bone I guess but yeah so this Fey

1723
01:06:01,310 --> 01:05:58,740
is sitting in a river and she can see it

1724
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:01,320
but now keep in mind she was always

1725
01:06:04,850 --> 01:06:03,210
taught if you see one you don't give it

1726
01:06:06,860 --> 01:06:04,860
any attention you don't look at it you

1727
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:06,870
don't know that you can see it here says

1728
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:09,720
she's in there fishing on on a rock in

1729
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,700
this river and she's trying to ignore

1730
01:06:16,790 --> 01:06:14,160
this damn Fey unfortunately she sees two

1731
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:16,800
little boys and their father and she

1732
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:19,890
actually sees them pointing right at the

1733
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:23,070
face she's like oh holy [\h__\h] they can

1734
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:25,710
see that thing and obviously she's going

1735
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:27,900
I don't think the dad can because you

1736
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:29,490
know they're two little kids and this

1737
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:31,170
thing with the sharp teeth and it's in

1738
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:32,850
the river and they're going right for it

1739
01:06:38,090 --> 01:06:35,490
and she's going oh my god I'm gonna have

1740
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:38,100
to call out to these people or tell the

1741
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:40,020
dad to get away or so I have to do

1742
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:41,970
something I can't do what I normally do

1743
01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:45,360
and just be on the down-low and they get

1744
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:47,550
down closer to the river and thankfully

1745
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:49,530
the dad just kind of at some point I

1746
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,510
think something just diverted their

1747
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:53,400
attention and away they went right so

1748
01:06:58,700 --> 01:06:55,530
that that was there wasn't like this big

1749
01:07:01,100 --> 01:06:58,710
dramatic into that story but I I think

1750
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:01,110
my point was and I asked her I was like

1751
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:02,820
I don't think the two little boys would

1752
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:05,490
go towards something if it looked the

1753
01:07:09,290 --> 01:07:07,770
way that you saw it together I don't

1754
01:07:10,790 --> 01:07:09,300
think that they would be pointing at it

1755
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:10,800
and giggling and laughing and be like oh

1756
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:13,500
oh see that dad dad let's go see the

1757
01:07:17,030 --> 01:07:15,210
assumption was a dad couldn't see it I

1758
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:17,040
don't know what parent would unless you

1759
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,780
really just like your kids you don't

1760
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:20,460
want to go down towards something that

1761
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:22,680
looks like that but these fade do seem

1762
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:25,020
to be able to shape-shift and they do

1763
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:26,970
something called it's called glamouring

1764
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:28,650
basically right but kind of like a

1765
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:30,299
little little spell

1766
01:07:35,689 --> 01:07:32,609
and the reason I brought it the to our

1767
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,699
insider episode that recently got posted

1768
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,920
was because there are a lot of tie ins

1769
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,839
and you can't help and here's the

1770
01:07:44,059 --> 01:07:41,640
threads that I was talking about with

1771
01:07:47,420 --> 01:07:44,069
the missing four one one and the cases

1772
01:07:49,999 --> 01:07:47,430
of people going missing in the woods

1773
01:07:52,099 --> 01:07:50,009
under very odd circumstances and

1774
01:07:54,709 --> 01:07:52,109
sometimes just after years and years and

1775
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:54,719
years they'll they'll find a shoe that

1776
01:07:59,689 --> 01:07:57,390
looks perfectly normal and it belonged

1777
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,699
to that person or in one one story I

1778
01:08:04,579 --> 01:08:01,799
think they did find a skull which looked

1779
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,589
like it had just recently been devoid of

1780
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:07,440
of tissue and flesh and it had been

1781
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:09,420
supposedly in the woods for twenty years

1782
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:11,849
whatever it was I don't remember exactly

1783
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,410
so don't quote me on that but anyway

1784
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:15,359
high strangeness right is so keep in

1785
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:17,790
mind her story in Ireland of her feeling

1786
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,409
like she's in this other place her her

1787
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,960
vision is hazy and she's very

1788
01:08:25,069 --> 01:08:23,040
disoriented well one of the things with

1789
01:08:27,649 --> 01:08:25,079
the Fae if you're stuck in a glamour

1790
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,659
situation in one of these little weird I

1791
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:28,799
don't know you're in another dimension

1792
01:08:33,379 --> 01:08:30,810
whatever the hell it is if you're with

1793
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:33,389
the Fae and you want to get out of the

1794
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:35,790
situation one of the ways to do that is

1795
01:08:40,660 --> 01:08:38,520
to turn your clothes inside out now I

1796
01:08:44,629 --> 01:08:40,670
don't know why that would do anything

1797
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:44,639
but many women maybe not many let's not

1798
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:47,310
over exaggerate Shannon a number of the

1799
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:49,770
people and the kids especially the kids

1800
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,049
it seems comes back from being missing

1801
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,520
wherever they were their clothes are

1802
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:55,799
inside out that's happened on numerous

1803
01:09:00,499 --> 01:08:58,500
occasions as far as what David has put

1804
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:00,509
in the books for missing for one one so

1805
01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:02,310
it kind of makes you wonder like well we

1806
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:03,779
got that that's kind of weird their

1807
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,489
clothes are inside out so I was on that

1808
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:07,920
insert I've said going wait Pam are you

1809
01:09:12,589 --> 01:09:10,380
telling me that they if you were in a

1810
01:09:14,629 --> 01:09:12,599
glamour situation with a fade to put the

1811
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:14,639
boogity on you you turn your clothes

1812
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:16,259
inside out you could get out of that and

1813
01:09:19,519 --> 01:09:17,819
you can come back to the quote-unquote

1814
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:19,529
our realm she's like yeah I mean that's

1815
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:25,259
part of the folklore I'm like wow I was

1816
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,449
blown away I mean I'm not saying I'm not

1817
01:09:34,819 --> 01:09:30,960
saying I'm only saying it's interesting

1818
01:09:37,519 --> 01:09:34,829
yeah yeah yeah that's oh man the whole

1819
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:37,529
idea the folkloric aspect to all this we

1820
01:09:42,559 --> 01:09:41,730
often tend to shy away from I guess you

1821
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:42,569
know we have

1822
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:44,909
work of Jacques Vallee who believes that

1823
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:48,089
a lot of what we consider alien is is

1824
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:50,909
Fae is are these stories throughout the

1825
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:54,210
centuries of fairies and this and that

1826
01:10:00,859 --> 01:09:57,210
and it's evolved into this this version

1827
01:10:02,569 --> 01:10:00,869
of the ambiguous gray and it's alien it

1828
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:02,579
comes from another planet rather than

1829
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:05,369
you know within this magical realm or

1830
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:08,130
plane it's it's fascinating to me now

1831
01:10:13,819 --> 01:10:10,440
that image that you have for the that

1832
01:10:15,649 --> 01:10:13,829
was made for this is terrifying and not

1833
01:10:18,379 --> 01:10:15,659
what you would necessarily think of when

1834
01:10:20,089 --> 01:10:18,389
you think of the Fae folk you know so I

1835
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,099
think that's another big thing too is

1836
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:21,840
realizing that these things a little

1837
01:10:26,450 --> 01:10:24,060
Tinker Bell's or anything like that you

1838
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,460
know what I mean yeah in fact I've to do

1839
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,760
a little research and Pam she's so she's

1840
01:10:35,569 --> 01:10:31,920
such a sweet person and we're friends

1841
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:35,579
now and we talked quite often she sent

1842
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:37,110
me a bunch of books one of them's even

1843
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:39,179
from Ireland because I'm like I need to

1844
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,300
read more on this I wasn't really that

1845
01:10:46,879 --> 01:10:44,159
familiar with it except for the very

1846
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,889
basics and I also got a book from the

1847
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:48,719
library yes I have libraries here in Las

1848
01:10:54,379 --> 01:10:51,000
Vegas everyone's weird right I always

1849
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:54,389
make a joke about that don't like this

1850
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,510
is it literally as title fairies 101 but

1851
01:11:00,979 --> 01:10:59,520
when I sent a snap of some of the

1852
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:00,989
pictures inside to Pam we were just

1853
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,090
dying laughing because all the fairies

1854
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:05,040
in this book are drawn they look like

1855
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,010
Victoria's Secret models with big like

1856
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:10,440
grins on their faces just absolutely

1857
01:11:15,589 --> 01:11:13,500
gorgeous normal normal no sharp teeth

1858
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:15,599
right no big bug eyes or scraggly hair

1859
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:18,030
beautiful flowing hair and wings and

1860
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,710
they're flitting about the flowers and

1861
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:22,320
there are ways to keep the Fae away from

1862
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:24,420
your house you know as iron and in

1863
01:11:29,899 --> 01:11:27,659
horseshoes and and there's tourmaline

1864
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:29,909
pam even sent me some of that stuff

1865
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:32,070
which is so cool ever but there are

1866
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,210
people that are writing entire blogs on

1867
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:37,500
how to invite them into your home here's

1868
01:11:41,419 --> 01:11:39,780
what you plant or here's a chance you

1869
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:41,429
could do or whatever it might be but and

1870
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:43,170
hey to each their own I'm not judging

1871
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:45,210
I'm just saying that there are two

1872
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:48,420
completely different sides when it comes

1873
01:11:52,459 --> 01:11:50,040
to the subject of the Fae so I'm really

1874
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:52,469
looking forward to diving more into this

1875
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:55,170
and she had other experiences as well so

1876
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:56,280
I don't want to talk

1877
01:12:00,379 --> 01:11:58,050
all of them and take up all the time but

1878
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:00,389
those were a couple of the the more

1879
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,300
impactful ones for her and even to this

1880
01:12:07,609 --> 01:12:05,280
day and here's an interesting thing I

1881
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,619
think this was on the insider episode

1882
01:12:11,149 --> 01:12:09,360
actually but when we were talking about

1883
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:11,159
it at one point her dog needed to go

1884
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:14,070
outside and she's got some land and she

1885
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,020
is in the you know near some woods and

1886
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:18,000
forests and she does see these on her

1887
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:20,369
property by the way the dog has to go

1888
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:22,409
outside she opens the door and she goes

1889
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,780
she goes on I'm sorry I'm not gonna talk

1890
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:26,460
about them for just a minute here while

1891
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:28,980
this door is open I mean very adamant it

1892
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:31,050
was not a funny or she wasn't trying to

1893
01:12:34,819 --> 01:12:32,610
get me to giggle or anything she

1894
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,829
literally was like I'm not going to

1895
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:36,719
speak about the fait unless all the

1896
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,460
doors and windows are shut and I mean

1897
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:40,500
this is it it's a terrifying thing for

1898
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:43,409
her yeah right exactly this again it is

1899
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:45,510
not what we would often look at is

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01:12:50,660 --> 01:12:47,940
folkloric in terms of like pretty and

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01:12:53,029 --> 01:12:50,670
magical like these things are terrifying

1902
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:53,039
and you have to wonder you know is the

1903
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:55,380
whole side of it this Victoria's Secret

1904
01:13:01,879 --> 01:12:58,770
beautiful thing it is it a ruse is that

1905
01:13:04,459 --> 01:13:01,889
what they do to draw you in yeah you

1906
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:04,469
have to wonder I haven't listened to the

1907
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:06,210
insider episode yet but I really look

1908
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:08,010
forward to that it seems like this woman

1909
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,070
has just had an undeniable amount of

1910
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:13,199
experiences with this yeah and it does

1911
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:15,210
seem like a lot of things Oh

1912
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:17,130
across the board for anything strange

1913
01:13:21,589 --> 01:13:20,070
that some some people are just more apt

1914
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:21,599
to see these things and she definitely

1915
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,210
whatever that might be and we discussed

1916
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,159
that on the show too like I said she's

1917
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:28,320
got her Irish background and then she

1918
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,820
also has a certain amount of Native

1919
01:13:33,529 --> 01:13:31,679
American blood and that's all conjecture

1920
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:33,539
right like we don't know but it was all

1921
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,250
just points that we brought up just as

1922
01:13:40,609 --> 01:13:37,980
an interesting point so it does seem

1923
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:40,619
like other some people are more apt to

1924
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:42,420
see these than others like the two boys

1925
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,489
they saw that thing I don't think they

1926
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:46,320
saw what she saw but they saw something

1927
01:13:49,879 --> 01:13:47,940
in the river they wanted to go down to

1928
01:13:52,129 --> 01:13:49,889
but the dad they I don't think he saw a

1929
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:52,139
damn thing so yeah I think it is I think

1930
01:13:56,029 --> 01:13:53,670
the more open you are the more it's

1931
01:13:58,279 --> 01:13:56,039
gonna invite itself into your life in

1932
01:14:00,140 --> 01:13:58,289
many ways and you're also all going to

1933
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:00,150
perceive it differently it's it's

1934
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:03,480
fascinating well I mean in terms of ITF

1935
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:05,730
insider Shannon let's let's sort of

1936
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,409
delve into that now again this is an

1937
01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:09,960
offshoot of ITF this is what you

1938
01:14:13,459 --> 01:14:12,120
for two people who want to experience a

1939
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:13,469
little bit more of what you're doing

1940
01:14:19,729 --> 01:14:16,770
bonus content and one of those was an

1941
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:19,739
investigation that you went on to Fox

1942
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:22,230
Hollow Farm now I had no idea where this

1943
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:24,420
place was I remember the morning you

1944
01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:26,550
landed there you sent me a picture and I

1945
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:28,680
was like whoa where are you what is that

1946
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:31,380
mm-hm and when I started digging into

1947
01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:33,570
the story behind Fox Hollow Farm I was

1948
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:35,790
terrified and this is one of the many

1949
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,250
things you offer at ITF insiders but I

1950
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:40,320
would love if you could sort of run us

1951
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:42,750
through what compelled you to go to Fox

1952
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:44,760
Hollow Farm and what did you find while

1953
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:45,510
you were there

1954
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:48,900
if you don't mind sharing even yeah yeah

1955
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:52,320
no I mean well I mean Fox Hollow Farm to

1956
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:53,700
me I've always known about it I don't

1957
01:14:58,459 --> 01:14:55,680
know when I first learned about Fox

1958
01:15:01,120 --> 01:14:58,469
Hollow Farm but as you mentioned it's

1959
01:15:04,270 --> 01:15:01,130
got a terrifying backstory this is a

1960
01:15:07,220 --> 01:15:04,280
beautiful home it's a very large home in

1961
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:07,230
Carmel Indiana and it sits on what a

1962
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:09,000
property much of the property is very

1963
01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:12,030
open a clear-cut they've got some

1964
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:14,790
animals their horses and such but herb

1965
01:15:19,580 --> 01:15:18,360
Baumeister lived there yeah yeah okay so

1966
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:19,590
this is a married man

1967
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,480
and they had children and they were

1968
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,940
actually pretty well respected in the

1969
01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:24,480
community

1970
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:27,750
he owned a thrift shop and you know he

1971
01:15:31,340 --> 01:15:30,330
seems like an upstanding guy with with

1972
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:31,350
the wife and the kids

1973
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,460
but when Julie Baumeister his wife would

1974
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:38,640
take the kids to think it was a state

1975
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:41,310
over they had like a lake house so Julie

1976
01:15:45,650 --> 01:15:43,290
would take the kids a lot of times for

1977
01:15:47,690 --> 01:15:45,660
weekends and herb would stay back for

1978
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:47,700
you know work or at least what he said

1979
01:15:51,620 --> 01:15:49,380
to Julie was he's working what he would

1980
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:51,630
do is go down to downtown Indianapolis

1981
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:54,780
down to the gay bars and lure young gay

1982
01:15:59,479 --> 01:15:57,510
men back to Fox Hollow Farm one of the

1983
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:59,489
accouterments of Fox Hollow Farm is in

1984
01:16:03,740 --> 01:16:01,260
the basement there is an indoor pool and

1985
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,750
he would say hey come back to come back

1986
01:16:07,870 --> 01:16:05,520
to the place and have a swim in a drink

1987
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:07,880
and he would take them back there and

1988
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:10,860
drown them in the pool and proceeded to

1989
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:14,070
bury them on his own property there are

1990
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:18,780
confirmed eleven bodies which I'm sure

1991
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:20,460
they have not found all the bones for in

1992
01:16:23,899 --> 01:16:22,950
fact I know that because Robert Graves

1993
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:23,909
told me himself

1994
01:16:27,979 --> 01:16:26,070
that still to this day if you dig around

1995
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:27,989
enough and you're patient enough and he

1996
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:29,489
dig deep enough you will still find

1997
01:16:33,739 --> 01:16:30,510
human remains

1998
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:33,749
he showed me behind the house where the

1999
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:36,900
initial I guess quote-unquote body pile

2000
01:16:41,779 --> 01:16:39,090
if you want to call it that was found

2001
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:41,789
and it is shocking how close to the

2002
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:44,699
house this was I would say from the back

2003
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:45,780
door

2004
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:50,249
it was probably 25 feet 30 feet

2005
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:54,239
that's feet not yards and this dude he

2006
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,650
gave obviously no F's right so he he did

2007
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:00,719
end up being caught he killed himself

2008
01:17:06,949 --> 01:17:03,719
and that was the end of the herb

2009
01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:06,959
Baumeister reign in downtown Indy and

2010
01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:08,550
bringing them back to this beautiful

2011
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:10,469
property and killing them there and

2012
01:17:15,739 --> 01:17:12,300
burying them there and before I get into

2013
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,749
my time at the property I just want to

2014
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,300
say that everyone should go google herb

2015
01:17:25,909 --> 01:17:21,360
Baumeister just local news or type in

2016
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:25,919
raccoon video it is if this doesn't give

2017
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,159
you a glimpse into the insane mind of

2018
01:17:33,799 --> 01:17:31,800
these people then nothing will there is

2019
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:33,809
an interview of herb Baumeister he's in

2020
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,510
a soup and he's he's on property at Fox

2021
01:17:39,859 --> 01:17:38,159
Hollow Farm he's at the end of the

2022
01:17:42,049 --> 01:17:39,869
driveway I can tell it's a very very

2023
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:42,059
long winding driveway down to this

2024
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:43,679
beautiful home and he's standing up by

2025
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:47,280
the road by the main road and I think

2026
01:17:51,649 --> 01:17:50,130
the day before or two days before there

2027
01:17:54,679 --> 01:17:51,659
was a raccoon other raccoons already

2028
01:17:58,279 --> 01:17:54,689
dead okay it's it's very flat they're

2029
01:18:01,100 --> 01:17:58,289
like a little pancake someone had the

2030
01:18:03,739 --> 01:18:01,110
the guys that paint the road okay the

2031
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:03,749
public service works had driven over the

2032
01:18:11,089 --> 01:18:07,369
raccoon with paint Herbert Baumeister

2033
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:11,099
was outraged that this happened and he

2034
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:14,880
called the news and he is on camera just

2035
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:17,489
talking about how despicable and low it

2036
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,340
is for them to treat this raccoon this

2037
01:18:26,290 --> 01:18:22,320
way and paint over it's already dead

2038
01:18:28,219 --> 01:18:26,300
body meanwhile he is within yards of

2039
01:18:30,979 --> 01:18:28,229
actual human beings that he has

2040
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:30,989
slaughtered and his their families will

2041
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:33,300
never see them again and it's just it's

2042
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:36,300
it's comical but it's insane and yours

2043
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:37,409
going

2044
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:39,480
this dude is for real he is for real out

2045
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:42,330
of his mind oh yeah I encourage everyone

2046
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:45,480
to uh to find that that little that

2047
01:18:50,419 --> 01:18:48,179
little gem of Herbert Baumeister talking

2048
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:50,429
about that part I reckon I don't know if

2049
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:52,860
I could stand watching I whenever I come

2050
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:55,380
across serial killers you know I have a

2051
01:18:58,879 --> 01:18:57,090
play opening as we're recording this

2052
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:58,889
literally tonight opening in New York

2053
01:19:03,020 --> 01:19:01,020
City about a serial killer you know I

2054
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:03,030
did have to do a lot of research into

2055
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:05,820
that world take into their minds blah

2056
01:19:09,979 --> 01:19:08,100
blah blah but actually going back and

2057
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:09,989
watching like interviews with Dahmer

2058
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:13,530
Gacy or you know any of these guys I

2059
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:16,290
have a very hard time I only have such

2060
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:20,219
such a threshold to actually hear the

2061
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:22,310
person talking about what they did

2062
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:25,440
seeing the lack of empathy within them

2063
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:28,620
seeing those cold dead eyes you know

2064
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,050
like what it's pure evil like we

2065
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:33,239
mentioned earlier incarnate right here

2066
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:37,590
on earth it besides demons or the devil

2067
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:38,760
the devil made me do it

2068
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,449
no you are deranged you are a sick

2069
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:44,880
person and this is what happened so when

2070
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:46,409
I came across this one in Fox Hollow

2071
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:48,179
Farm and I saw that there was actual

2072
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,010
video of the guy I couldn't do it

2073
01:19:56,660 --> 01:19:51,840
Shannon I just couldn't watch it but

2074
01:19:58,879 --> 01:19:56,670
that video seems very disturbing to

2075
01:20:00,379 --> 01:19:58,889
think you know that he would he would

2076
01:20:01,879 --> 01:20:00,389
say this about the raccoons then go do

2077
01:20:04,129 --> 01:20:01,889
what he did you know what I mean

2078
01:20:07,729 --> 01:20:04,139
yeah just standing within however many

2079
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:07,739
feet or yards of these people that he he

2080
01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:13,409
had no regard for at all and yes a Fox

2081
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:17,100
will affirm itself I will say I I drove

2082
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,310
there during the day and I I pull up to

2083
01:20:24,860 --> 01:20:23,520
the place and of course I'm just I'm

2084
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,870
floored I couldn't even believe that I

2085
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:27,840
was there after years and years of being

2086
01:20:33,379 --> 01:20:30,300
very familiar with the story and what

2087
01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:33,389
went on there but in all of the content

2088
01:20:37,879 --> 01:20:35,550
I decided to release just four insiders

2089
01:20:40,939 --> 01:20:37,889
that was a big trip for me obviously so

2090
01:20:42,919 --> 01:20:40,949
I wanted to give that exclusively for

2091
01:20:46,879 --> 01:20:42,929
the insiders but there's plenty of video

2092
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:46,889
of the property of the pool and I also

2093
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:49,610
spent time with Tony Harris who is

2094
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:51,090
someone that spent

2095
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,219
I'm a lot of time with herb Baumeister

2096
01:21:02,000 --> 01:20:55,800
while he was still alive at Foxhall farm

2097
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,010
and there's an episode featuring Tony he

2098
01:21:07,129 --> 01:21:04,320
would not let me record him on video but

2099
01:21:08,839 --> 01:21:07,139
I did get audio of him and it just it it

2100
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,849
chills you to the bone because he does

2101
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:11,760
talk about some other locations where he

2102
01:21:18,859 --> 01:21:15,300
feels or has seen you know maybe some

2103
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,869
things that are you yeah he talks about

2104
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:21,360
the stables he feels like some stuff

2105
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:24,060
happened in the stables and also down he

2106
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:25,860
always goes you know everybody talks

2107
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:28,590
about the pool like the actual pool and

2108
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:30,690
when you have an indoor pool you have to

2109
01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:33,030
keep it sequestered from everything else

2110
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:35,790
because you know the humidity and the

2111
01:21:41,470 --> 01:21:38,580
moisture will damage things so oh where

2112
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:41,480
ice left was down in the basement just

2113
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:44,730
adjacent to the pool and the way the

2114
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:46,679
pool is set up you you keep walking on

2115
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,330
this long hall on your left is the door

2116
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:50,040
that goes into the pool and that's all

2117
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:51,900
glass and then you keep walking down and

2118
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:53,460
there's another massive like I'm like

2119
01:21:59,720 --> 01:21:56,510
there's a pool table and another little

2120
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,730
kitchenette area a bar area and a couple

2121
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,400
massive couches it's a it's a very large

2122
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,760
space but on that first night not only

2123
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:07,980
of course that I meet Rob graves you

2124
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:11,520
have Tony Harris came and went before

2125
01:22:14,899 --> 01:22:13,500
everybody else showed up he had some

2126
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:14,909
things to do but I spent a good amount

2127
01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:17,130
of time with him that first day Rob

2128
01:22:22,189 --> 01:22:19,590
graves is the owner Robin Vicki graves

2129
01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:22,199
and then Joe LeBlanc

2130
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:25,550
is somebody that lived upstairs in

2131
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:27,650
there's a whole nother apartment

2132
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:29,880
basically above the garage but it still

2133
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:31,650
attached the house you can still get to

2134
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:33,810
this from inside the house he actually

2135
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:35,610
had an experience in the indoor pool

2136
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:39,480
where he felt someone dragged him

2137
01:22:45,109 --> 01:22:42,420
underwater and then actually felt

2138
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,119
fingers go around his neck which herb

2139
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,040
Baumeister did in fact strangle these

2140
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:49,199
men in the pool that was his MO that's

2141
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:52,500
what he did it was erotic to him and a

2142
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:55,940
you know the the control aspect and that

2143
01:23:03,709 --> 01:22:59,360
was his MO so Joe was over there and

2144
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:03,719
then Brian Sanders who is a medium and I

2145
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:04,530
was

2146
01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:08,010
skeptical about that whole aspect of it

2147
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:11,400
but he was incredible he came up with

2148
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:14,310
some things that blew everybody away and

2149
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:17,310
that were verifiable but that that's a I

2150
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:19,230
still am waiting to get him on into the

2151
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:21,330
fray he's a busy guy but he needs to

2152
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:24,510
come on with his his side of it I want

2153
01:23:30,170 --> 01:23:27,870
to make that a public episode and not

2154
01:23:32,090 --> 01:23:30,180
just for insiders so they all come over

2155
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:32,100
the first night and it's my first night

2156
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:33,690
at Fox Hollow I'm sitting there with Rob

2157
01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:35,910
and Joe and Brian and we're going

2158
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:37,590
through the house telling all these

2159
01:23:43,190 --> 01:23:39,750
stories are getting told and Rob has an

2160
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:43,200
incredible amount of original material

2161
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,780
from when this happened I will say there

2162
01:23:51,230 --> 01:23:47,760
wasn't really a dark feeling in the

2163
01:23:52,730 --> 01:23:51,240
house I never got that I'm not gonna you

2164
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:52,740
know make it something it wasn't at

2165
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:55,170
least to me but I'm also not a very

2166
01:23:58,730 --> 01:23:57,060
sensitive person when it comes to that

2167
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:58,740
even Rob graves himself we were

2168
01:24:01,850 --> 01:24:00,060
chuckling cuz I'm like I must be like

2169
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:01,860
Rob because I never see anything you

2170
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:03,540
know except for that one that one time

2171
01:24:08,150 --> 01:24:06,450
and we're sitting around the dining room

2172
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,160
table and I'm getting footage and I'm

2173
01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:10,080
doing interviews and then everybody

2174
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:12,780
leaves and Rob goes upstairs you know to

2175
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:16,230
go to bed and then I am sleeping down in

2176
01:24:22,630 --> 01:24:18,000
the basement so I go down to the

2177
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:27,200
and then I go past there and I I get my

2178
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:29,730
my bed set up on this nice big oversized

2179
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:32,940
couch and I lay down and then there's a

2180
01:24:38,180 --> 01:24:34,910
back door that goes to the backyard

2181
01:24:39,770 --> 01:24:38,190
which is right pretty much within 20

2182
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:39,780
feet of where those bodies are found and

2183
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:42,330
then you look over and part of half of

2184
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,030
the wall that divides from the pool to

2185
01:24:49,190 --> 01:24:47,760
the room that I'm in is in fact glass so

2186
01:24:51,380 --> 01:24:49,200
I can see right through to the pool

2187
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,390
unlike I just can't believe that I'm

2188
01:24:55,490 --> 01:24:53,040
even here this is insane

2189
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:55,500
and I did leave I did leave a recorder

2190
01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:58,020
going every night but nothing really

2191
01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:00,600
came up as far as you know what people

2192
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:02,460
call EVPs the electronic voice

2193
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:04,410
phenomenon I didn't get any of that

2194
01:25:09,740 --> 01:25:08,370
as far as I know unless I'm blind and

2195
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:09,750
then everyone else who has seen the

2196
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:11,910
footage for insider is blind which I

2197
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:14,070
know we aren't nothing was captured on

2198
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:16,770
camera my feeling personally gorgeous

2199
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,360
gorgeous place I didn't

2200
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:20,400
any creepy feelings except for that

2201
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:22,440
first night when I was just kind of all

2202
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:24,150
settling in you know that I was actually

2203
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:26,790
there in talking to rob and and Brian

2204
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:27,570
and Joe

2205
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:30,210
except for that just setting the tone I

2206
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:31,530
mean the second night I slept like a

2207
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,130
baby

2208
01:25:37,340 --> 01:25:34,920
I I didn't have any horrible dreams or I

2209
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:37,350
think it was just the I hate to say

2210
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:38,730
nostalgic because that's usually a

2211
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:41,250
positive thing but just the being in

2212
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,340
such a place that you've read about and

2213
01:25:49,879 --> 01:25:47,760
seen on TV and I am fascinated with

2214
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:49,889
serial killers so for me to go to Fox

2215
01:25:55,129 --> 01:25:52,560
Hollow Farm I mean that dude is and it's

2216
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,139
nothing to brag about but he's in like

2217
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:57,600
top 10 list anytime a top 10 list comes

2218
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:00,750
out because this is a dude that he was

2219
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:03,420
getting away with this for in fact there

2220
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:05,639
is of course talk that maybe he was the

2221
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:08,610
i-70 killer so maybe there was more than

2222
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:10,440
the the 11 that were found on his

2223
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,170
property right so the the body count for

2224
01:26:17,810 --> 01:26:15,659
him is probably through the roof so he

2225
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,820
is quite prolific and the fact that he

2226
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:19,679
had the wife and the kids all of this

2227
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:22,110
under the noses of course the question

2228
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:25,170
is how did you lean on no but I don't

2229
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:26,400
know I mean you'll have to ask her that

2230
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:28,440
you know she's still around and I I did

2231
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:31,110
get to Rob took me by her place or her

2232
01:26:35,419 --> 01:26:33,420
her place is actually she moved back

2233
01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:35,429
into the house that they moved out of to

2234
01:26:39,169 --> 01:26:36,900
move into Fox Hollow Farm

2235
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,179
she and her so she's back in that same

2236
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:41,760
place and yeah so I mean the the trip

2237
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:43,800
was amazing I got a lot of great footage

2238
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,280
I I did try to do it justice as far as

2239
01:26:52,669 --> 01:26:49,199
the fact that it it is a somber place

2240
01:26:54,859 --> 01:26:52,679
and it's it's beautiful and the graves

2241
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:54,869
the family is so wonderful and nice it's

2242
01:27:00,800 --> 01:26:57,060
easy to not forget what happened but I

2243
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:00,810
just I my basic down to what I get basic

2244
01:27:06,129 --> 01:27:03,420
is I I didn't have any profound

2245
01:27:08,810 --> 01:27:06,139
experience nor did I have any profound

2246
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:08,820
and you know negative feelings or

2247
01:27:14,780 --> 01:27:12,570
oppression or sadness while I was there

2248
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:14,790
but although it was incredible to be

2249
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:17,250
there but I will say and I I do think I

2250
01:27:21,919 --> 01:27:19,650
have another invite to go out if I

2251
01:27:24,620 --> 01:27:21,929
wanted to and I I do want to take them

2252
01:27:27,589 --> 01:27:24,630
up on that because I feel like this

2253
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:27,599
first time I it was I mean that was I

2254
01:27:30,979 --> 01:27:29,250
went there alone I didn't it wasn't like

2255
01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:30,989
me and a team or you know I don't have a

2256
01:27:34,670 --> 01:27:32,190
team so I just went there

2257
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:34,680
myself and not that I was like nervous I

2258
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:37,140
was by myself I felt like of course it's

2259
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:38,700
a little different when the family is

2260
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:40,110
home you know it's not here going to

2261
01:27:43,340 --> 01:27:41,940
some abandoned house so I really felt

2262
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,350
like I was trying to be as respectful

2263
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:45,360
and out of the way as I could but I

2264
01:27:50,210 --> 01:27:47,370
think if I went back I think I would be

2265
01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:50,220
downstairs in the pool room being you

2266
01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:52,020
know staying up till the middle of the

2267
01:27:56,210 --> 01:27:53,460
night or all night if I had to like

2268
01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:56,220
taunting or you know really just

2269
01:28:01,220 --> 01:27:58,770
imploring whatever it is to talk to me

2270
01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:01,230
or talk to talk to the camera talk to

2271
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:02,670
the zoom recorder I have in my hand

2272
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:04,380
whatever it might be I really feel like

2273
01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:06,390
I was I was more standoffish than I

2274
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:09,030
should have been I was a really more

2275
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:11,730
reserved and shy and I shouldn't have

2276
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:13,650
been because these folks they're used to

2277
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:16,110
that kind of stuff in that house and

2278
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:17,970
Vicki Graves herself you know she saw

2279
01:28:21,650 --> 01:28:19,380
the man with if you've seen the

2280
01:28:23,780 --> 01:28:21,660
paranormal witness episode they did a

2281
01:28:25,730 --> 01:28:23,790
pretty good job of it and I think Rob

2282
01:28:27,380 --> 01:28:25,740
and Vicki would both agree that wasn't

2283
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:27,390
Fox Hollow Farm though of course that

2284
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:29,570
was a place I guess up in Canada but

2285
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:32,730
Vicki graves did see a man in a red

2286
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:35,250
shirt he was an apparition so he had no

2287
01:28:39,980 --> 01:28:38,100
legs and he was walking away from her

2288
01:28:42,530 --> 01:28:39,990
and he disappeared into the wood line

2289
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:42,540
behind the house or I'm sorry it was at

2290
01:28:45,260 --> 01:28:43,500
the side of the house and I actually

2291
01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:45,270
have footage of that too right where she

2292
01:28:49,550 --> 01:28:46,950
saw that and Joe LeBlanc

2293
01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:49,560
who had the experience in in the pool he

2294
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,020
also saw the man with no legs and Joe's

2295
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:54,480
got a whole like separate horror story

2296
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,280
of what was going on up in that

2297
01:28:59,810 --> 01:28:58,320
apartment and I I do think that the

2298
01:29:03,500 --> 01:28:59,820
reason the apartment above the garage

2299
01:29:06,020 --> 01:29:03,510
was so active for Joe is because I found

2300
01:29:08,420 --> 01:29:06,030
out that at at the end there when herb

2301
01:29:09,860 --> 01:29:08,430
and Julie were not doing very good he

2302
01:29:12,980 --> 01:29:09,870
was he was staying up there in that

2303
01:29:15,650 --> 01:29:12,990
apartment right so some of his last bits

2304
01:29:18,650 --> 01:29:15,660
of time at Fox Hollow Farm was spent up

2305
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,660
in that apartment yeah hearing seeing

2306
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:21,600
and experiencing I can imagine the worst

2307
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:24,300
things yeah yeah and here in Joe retail

2308
01:29:28,190 --> 01:29:26,340
what he went on what he was going

2309
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:28,200
through in that apartment was just I was

2310
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:29,940
sitting there and that's that's on a

2311
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:31,950
video for insiders and and they can

2312
01:29:36,260 --> 01:29:34,290
check that out but he went through every

2313
01:29:38,420 --> 01:29:36,270
detail of what he went through up in

2314
01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:38,430
that apartment it was not it was not a

2315
01:29:42,140 --> 01:29:40,380
good thing and like I say it's a whole

2316
01:29:45,570 --> 01:29:42,150
nother thing when it's it's in your safe

2317
01:29:47,490 --> 01:29:45,580
space exactly well you know I mean as

2318
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:47,500
horrible and tragic as all of this was

2319
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:49,300
it's good to know that you at least had

2320
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:50,980
a somewhat pleasant experience on

2321
01:29:56,730 --> 01:29:54,010
beautiful land that was desecrated so

2322
01:29:59,340 --> 01:29:56,740
badly by what what occurred but you know

2323
01:30:01,290 --> 01:29:59,350
now that you've you know you know these

2324
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,300
people you trust them I I would imagine

2325
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:04,480
going back you could really really get

2326
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:07,330
into it and see what you can come up

2327
01:30:11,700 --> 01:30:09,550
with I look for or I look forward to

2328
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:11,710
that you going back and investigating

2329
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:14,050
and in terms of that do you have

2330
01:30:20,850 --> 01:30:16,810
anything any other investigations coming

2331
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:20,860
up for the insiders know exists can you

2332
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:23,770
can you tell us how we can find insiders

2333
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:26,650
they're sort of elite version of ITF

2334
01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:28,930
sure yeah I'm here the website into the

2335
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:31,030
fray radio.com and then you just click

2336
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:32,710
become an Insider and it has a couple

2337
01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:35,170
different options the monthly or the the

2338
01:30:39,780 --> 01:30:37,390
annual option there for you so yeah I

2339
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:39,790
mean as far as the the content goes I'm

2340
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:41,650
really trying to I'm trying to get

2341
01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:44,830
better at doing video I have no video

2342
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:48,220
camera or any kind of a DSLR I hope that

2343
01:30:53,340 --> 01:30:50,560
someday of course I can get the funds to

2344
01:30:54,420 --> 01:30:53,350
do that but with just the iPhone I'm

2345
01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:54,430
trying to do my best

2346
01:31:00,090 --> 01:30:56,710
so there's times when I'll get on the

2347
01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:00,100
old iPhone and and shoot in as much 4k

2348
01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:02,020
surely that's not 4k though it's kind of

2349
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:04,540
funny ok I laugh about that but iPhones

2350
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:06,880
like it has 4k I'm like I don't get a

2351
01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:10,270
red camera that's 4k man yeah yeah so I

2352
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:12,580
just try to do a lot of the things that

2353
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:14,410
get emailed to me and never get released

2354
01:31:18,210 --> 01:31:16,450
to the main show a lot of the stories

2355
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:18,220
that I get will only be released for

2356
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:20,170
insiders I mean that's the idea right of

2357
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:22,570
the the premium content side of things

2358
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,480
so I really would like to get out and do

2359
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:27,520
more investigations I kind of do have

2360
01:31:31,710 --> 01:31:29,650
something that I want to you know

2361
01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:31,720
announce one of these days very soon

2362
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:33,880
hopefully but it does have to do with

2363
01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:36,610
investigations here locally so hoping

2364
01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:40,420
that would of course provide more spooky

2365
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:43,030
content and maybe some actual evidence

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01:31:46,650 --> 01:31:45,490
of some of these weird things that we

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01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:46,660
talked about I think that would be

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fantastic and yeah I think just just

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plugging away trying to get more of the

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01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:54,190
personal stories which I'm always

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01:31:59,280 --> 01:31:56,710
fishing for always throwing that line

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01:32:01,170 --> 01:31:59,290
out there for folks so yeah if they

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01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:01,180
ever wanted to talk to me about anything

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01:32:05,070 --> 01:32:03,460
and again doesn't have to be for the

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01:32:08,220 --> 01:32:05,080
show I always want to reiterate that

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01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:08,230
it's it's very much a community feel and

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01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:10,930
I don't want anyone to feel like oh well

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01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:12,970
I mean if you contact Shannon it's just

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01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:15,010
because she wants you for downloads for

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01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:16,480
into the fray that's not it at all I

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01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:19,360
just I really do enjoy the banter with

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01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:21,970
people and exchanging ideas that could

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01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:23,770
not be more true I know you as a person

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01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:25,930
and I know that how much material

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01:32:30,030 --> 01:32:28,060
actually doesn't make it on to the show

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01:32:31,950 --> 01:32:30,040
and how long you're willing to you know

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01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:31,960
just sit down and speak to people it's

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01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:34,300
amazing I wish I had the patience that

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01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:39,490
you have all the stuff you've

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01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:41,290
accomplished since you got started and

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01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:43,870
all this right oh yeah okay I can only

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01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:46,030
listen to so much before I have to go

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01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:47,310
out and have a couple of whiskey's

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01:32:53,460 --> 01:32:50,650
that's very kind of you well I want to

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01:32:55,860 --> 01:32:53,470
toast a whiskey to you because I just

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01:32:58,740 --> 01:32:55,870
learned that you are now part of the K

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01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:58,750
GRA Network can you tell us about this

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01:33:02,790 --> 01:32:59,920
this is very exciting

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01:33:05,940 --> 01:33:02,800
yeah this is so cool I got in touch with

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01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:05,950
Reis Hobbs a number of months ago and we

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01:33:11,010 --> 01:33:07,570
were talking about me coming on board

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01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:11,020
and it just kind of it just I don't know

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01:33:14,670 --> 01:33:12,760
it just stopped we just it just didn't

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01:33:16,380 --> 01:33:14,680
go through at that time I guess it was

2405
01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:16,390
meant to be because at this point in

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01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:19,030
time I have a Thursday slot now well

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01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:21,730
it's Thursday my time but Friday for

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01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:23,530
other people in other parts of the

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01:33:28,050 --> 01:33:26,260
United States so it's 10 p.m.

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01:33:30,780 --> 01:33:28,060
actually tonight that we are recording

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01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:30,790
this so Thursday the 5th is my first

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01:33:35,580 --> 01:33:33,190
episode to come out for him so b1 a.m.

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01:33:37,530 --> 01:33:35,590
Eastern Time on K G RA and of course you

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01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:37,540
know you got guys like Micah Hanks the

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01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:39,280
grayling report you've got you've got

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01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:41,650
kam and Kyle expanded perspectives you

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01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:43,600
got the Richard Dolan show rosemary

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01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:46,390
rosemary ellen guiley has a show on KCRA

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01:33:51,180 --> 01:33:48,880
so for now it's just gonna be a replay

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01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:51,190
I'm not gonna go live for right now I

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01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:52,930
think at some point I would like to

2422
01:33:56,610 --> 01:33:54,610
tackle that beast again because it it's

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01:33:59,130 --> 01:33:56,620
it's an incredible feeling and it's a

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01:34:01,710 --> 01:33:59,140
wonderful way to do a show but for now

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01:34:03,900 --> 01:34:01,720
it'll be a rebroadcast of of the

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01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:03,910
Thursday shows that's awesome it's only

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01:34:07,890 --> 01:34:06,340
going to open up more people to here and

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01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,900
then to eventually hopefully tell you

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01:34:12,690 --> 01:34:10,000
their stories so I look forward to that

2430
01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:12,700
I'll definitely be listening to that as

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01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,150
well

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01:34:17,070 --> 01:34:15,520
anything else you got coming up Shannon

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01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:17,080
that we shouldn't hear about and this

2434
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:19,450
Halloween season actually there are some

2435
01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:20,770
things but I don't think I'm allowed to

2436
01:34:27,060 --> 01:34:23,230
talk about them quite yet I tell you

2437
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:27,070
what the second I can then you know I'll

2438
01:34:30,990 --> 01:34:29,410
let you know and if you're interested in

2439
01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:31,000
you know hearing about it I will

2440
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:33,550
definitely pop back on but yeah there

2441
01:34:37,050 --> 01:34:35,410
are some really wonderful things coming

2442
01:34:38,490 --> 01:34:37,060
up but I just don't think I can talk

2443
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:38,500
about them quite yet

2444
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:40,750
I completely understand well if anything

2445
01:34:47,310 --> 01:34:43,600
ITF listeners are going to get a reunion

2446
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:47,320
in the flesh soon of Shannon of me and

2447
01:34:52,140 --> 01:34:49,330
mr. Sam Sheeran so we can definitely

2448
01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:52,150
promise you that yes other than that

2449
01:34:56,190 --> 01:34:54,310
into the fray radio comm is where we can

2450
01:34:57,900 --> 01:34:56,200
find all your work yes sir

2451
01:35:01,620 --> 01:34:57,910
and of course they can find me on

2452
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:01,630
Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and

2453
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:03,610
yeah I'm happy to connect with people

2454
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,410
like I said I'm happy to chat it up with

2455
01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:07,840
you it doesn't have to do with the show

2456
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:10,840
that's totally fine just happy to share

2457
01:35:14,670 --> 01:35:13,450
information with everybody awesome this

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01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:14,680
this could not have come at a better

2459
01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:16,540
time Shannon I'm so happy we're able to

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01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:18,070
get you on to ring in the Halloween

2461
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:20,050
season to hear these incredible stories

2462
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:22,690
and I know the show is only going to

2463
01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:24,850
grow and you're gonna hear more and more

2464
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:27,340
stories and it's just gonna open up our

2465
01:35:31,710 --> 01:35:29,890
minds even more so I have to thank you

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01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,720
so much for coming on somewhere in the

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01:35:34,530 --> 01:35:33,520
skies today Thank You Ryan I really

2468
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:34,540
appreciate it

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01:35:37,890 --> 01:35:36,130
alright that is it for this week's

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01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:37,900
episode again you can hear all of

2471
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:40,870
Shannon's amazing interviews on into the

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01:35:46,830 --> 01:35:43,510
fray radio now available on the kgr a

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01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:46,840
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01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:50,650
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01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:52,540
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01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:10,660
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backslash summer skies for guest or

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01:37:03,879 --> 01:37:00,860
topic suggestions or stories to share

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contact me through the website somewhere

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01:37:08,919 --> 01:37:06,260
in the skies calm i'll see you here next

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01:37:11,979 --> 01:37:08,929
week as we officially celebrate

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01:37:14,799 --> 01:37:11,989
Halloween with a very special guest and

2505
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:14,809
a topic that will chill you to the core

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01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:17,119
remember keep your feet on the ground

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01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:20,150
but never stop searching summer in the

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01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:20,680
skies

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[Applause]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Buki oh one of the hosts of can't let

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01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:47,240
every month we talked to writers and

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01:37:51,070 --> 01:37:48,830
members of the literary community about

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01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:51,080
books and stuff and if you're not

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01:37:56,050 --> 01:37:52,850
interested in books we also talked about

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01:37:58,510 --> 01:37:56,060
pop culture go on a lot of tangents play

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games tell stories and have exciting

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segments like can't let feuds

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01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,680
Dinah's rage minute and what can't you

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01:38:08,050 --> 01:38:06,320
with you can find us at can't lid on

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twitter can't lid on facebook

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can't let CA and of course right here on